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System planning and System operation (combo): based on real tasks and cooperative workflows... In this bubble, you can interpret the didactical challenges: What should be changed? Why? What should be done in an other way as before?


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Dear Students,
if you have any questions, do not hesitate to contanct me via email (ptlklszl@my-x.hu) at any time...
Laci (mentor)


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In case of each problem/question, please, consult chatGPT immediately, like in case of the final exam...


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Useful information at all times: if you use chatGPT you need to save both your prompt and the full response of chatGPT. In case of your final thesis, you have to include all these (prompt + response) in the annex section...


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created: Thursday, 24 October 2024, 12:47 PM
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How would the collaborative moodle based work connect with the bprof-subjects? What effects (e.g. the work must have Excel in it, so in what way it connects with programing1 or databases bprof-subject?) does it have on those subjects?
(Edited by Lแszl๓ Pitlik - original submission Thursday, 24 October 2024, 12:47 PM)


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Some students and users of the current moodle system are keep geting notifications of the forum entry comments, some aren't. Why is that?


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created: Thursday, 24 October 2024, 3:30 PM
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Assumption: The question of a professor (in frame of a final exam) should be - What is the difference between two terms: system modelling and system planning? One of the most ideal reaction of a Student could be - I ask immediately the chatGPT and I will finetune the answer of chatGPT in real time - in oder to demonstrate, that a human being is better than the machine...


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created: Thursday, 24 October 2024, 3:38 PM
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Example: The collaboratice Moodle-course has here and now at least one thread (see demo0 about standardization), where we try to derive a system plan (incl. a system operation concept) for handling (not-)standardized answers. This planning should have a particular phase, where the handling of not-standardized strings (emails) will lead to Excel-files (c.f. pseudo-codes). This Excel-files deliver demo-solutions, where the processing of not-standardized strings produce (based on chained formulas) standardized inputs for a simulated database incl. self-checking reports using pivot-tables...


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created: Sunday, 20 October 2024, 11:57 AM
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subject: Standardized communication (demo0)
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Please, read the follwowing document:https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997� (ca. 15 minutes)

Please, create a new entry within this thread (bubble/topic): what is exactly a standardized answer concerning the highlighted document above?�(ca. 15 minutes)

Please, create an other entry (in this thread) about one or more potential not-standardized answer-possibilites! (ca. 15 minutes)

Please, follow frequently the thread and please, comment the entries of the other Students!�(min. 60 minutes during the whole semester)



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created: Wednesday, 23 October 2024, 5:41 PM
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I think this is a standard answer:

Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline - [Month] [Year]

Dear Mentor,

I would like to inform you that my planned thesis submission deadline is [month] [year]. I am actively working on the project and will make full use of the mentoring opportunities you provide.

I will ensure that all communication is carried out in the appropriate format and within the required timeframes. Please expect my participation in the MS Teams group as well, and I will reach out if I need any further consultations or assistance.

Thank you for your attention and support!

Best regards,
[Full Name]
[NEPTUN Code]


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I think this is a NOT-standard answer:

Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline - [Month] [Year]

Hey,

Just a heads-up that I plan to submit my thesis in [month] [year]. I’m keeping up with the work and will definitely use the mentoring options you’ve mentioned.

I’ll follow the communication rules and be active in the MS Teams group. If I need any help, I’ll reach out.

Thanks a lot for your support!

Best,
[Full Name]
[NEPTUN Code]

OR

if you don't write anything.


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created: Wednesday, 23 October 2024, 7:55 PM
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What is the exact definition of the standardized status? Exact (Knuth-oriented) is a definition, if a source code can be derived without any antagonisms.


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Which kind of source code is needed in order to be capable of handling such an not-standardized answer, if we try to interpret (= to store in a database) for each Student only the planned deadline for closing the education periode?


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Definition of Standardized Status (Knuth-Oriented): A standardized answer is an output that adheres to a precise, predetermined structure where every element and form is derived from a set of fixed, non-conflicting rules. These rules are well-defined and deterministic, meaning that given the same input, the process will consistently generate the same result without ambiguity or contradiction. The structure of the answer is entirely reproducible, much like compiling source code from a clearly defined algorithm.


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The length of a standardized answer can indeed be derived in advance if the formatting rules and the nature of the input are known.


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The source code to handle such a NOT-standardized answer requires a flexible text parsing algorithm capable of recognizing patterns, handling exceptions, and ensuring data completeness. With the help of regular expressions, keyword matching, and error handling mechanisms, the unstructured text can be converted into structured data, ready for storage in a database.


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We do need the exact rule(s) for this particular challenge/problem/situation! Please, do not forget, the objective of the initialized communication is simple: we have only wanted a simple time-data for each person!


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We do need the calculated length and the calculation rule(s) for this particular challenge/problem/situation! A kind of helpful note: Are the definition as such and the lenght as such two interpretations of the same challenge?


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What kind of patterns? Please, define examples: ...
What kind of exceptions? Please, define examples: ...


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Based on this text (picture), the standardized answer incl. the expected length of the standardized answer can be derived (quasi?!) in an exact way!


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Patterns refer to recurring elements in the text that you need to detect in order to transform unstructured data into structured format.

Dates: For example, "2024-10-24" or "24/10/2024."
Quantities or numbers: For example, "5 cars" or "10 km/h."
Keywords: Specific words or phrases that carry a particular meaning. For example: "OK," "error," "executed."

Exceptions are cases where normal processing patterns don’t apply, requiring special handling.

Incomplete data: For example, a missing or incomplete date like "24-10" or "October 24."

The missing part can either be inferred or flagged for user input.


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IF/THEN/ELSE conditional logic can be very useful when processing text. For example:

IF the text contains the keyword "error," THEN store it as an error, ELSE continue processing.
IF a number is followed by "km/h," THEN it refers to speed, ELSE check the next unit.
The IF/THEN/ELSE structure is simple, easy to understand, and effective for handling cases like error checking or identifying different data formats.


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Yes, the length of a standardized answer can be derived in advance if the structure of the input and the formatting rules are well-defined. For example, if the answer must include specific fields like a name (20 characters), a date (10 characters in "YYYY-MM-DD" format), and a numeric value (5 digits), the total length can be calculated as the sum of the length of these components, possibly including separators or spaces.


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Please, after all these Interpretations, it would be necessary here and now to define exactly the length of the standardized answer and the evidences (= all potential examples).


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All these examples are helpful to derive the length of the standardized answer (=a number between 0 and 99:-) and all potential versions of the standardized answer (strings with the same = ideal lenght - see original expectations in the email in the annex)...


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Conclusion: the ELSE-phenomenon is capable to handle all not-standardized strings/texts with the consequence: all unnecessary text-elements should finally be ignored! The text-processing before ELSE is responsible to identify each useful pattern in order to filter/cut the needed fragments.


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Using the assumed structure above, we can calculate the length of a single standardized answer:

Name: 20 characters
Separator after Name: 2 characters
Date: 10 characters
Separator after Date: 2 characters
Value: 5 characters

Adding these together:

20+2+10+2+5=39characters

Thus, each standardized answer would be 39 characters long.

Each standardized answer in this format will be exactly 39 characters long. This calculation assumes strict adherence to the defined structure and that any name longer than 20 characters is truncated or any shorter name is padded. This length, once standardized, allows for predictable parsing and storage in a database or file.
For example: Christopher Johnson , 2022-08-15, 54321


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A standardized answer for this task would strictly follow the mentor’s instructions, be clear, and concise. It includes selecting one of the specified thesis submission deadlines in the exact format provided, without any additional information or deviations. This shows attention to detail, adheres to formatting rules, and ensures the mentor receives uniform responses from all students.


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I think,non-standardized answers are those that don’t strictly follow the mentor’s specified format. This could include adding extra details, changing the format, or selecting an unlisted deadline.


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It is necessary, parallel to these theoretical aspects, or even without all these theoretical aspects to deliver the simple answer to the simple question. Simple question = What is the ideal length of a standardized answer in the particular situation? The potential answer is a simple number between 0, ..., n, where n < e.g. 100 characters. On the other hand: the simple number as an answer will need a sofisticated argumentation for the parallel question: WHY? Let alone: Numer+argumentation are not enough: each potential standardized answer is also needed (in form of a list), where the idealized number of the length is always given and the argumentation is always valid for all these examples. Each potential example should be given: it is an error, if one or more potential examplex are not available in the particular list and/or there are one or more wrong example in the list.


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The real challenge is, what kind of quasi/semi-standardized answers can be identified, where an answer is semi-standardized, if the element of a standardized answer can be indentified and filtered/cut from the not-standardized environment (wihtout any error). Please, create entries about well-defined semi-standardized answers here and now! Please, discuss the entries of the others! (estimated time: min. 60 minutes). These discursive entries should enforce that potential algorithms will be given as argumentation for possible automation...


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Semi-standardized answers stick to a basic format but allow some space for changes.e.g specific issue. This means they keep important parts the same while adjusting details to fit specific situations or topics. This way, responses are clear and personal, making it easier to automate while still sounding friendly.For example automated responses from a computer.


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The key-element here is "For example": we do need very exact fromulated examples, but not arbitrary ones. Examples here and now are real strings concerning the demo-question (c.f. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997). We are working in Moodle for days, and we do still not have the lenght of the standardized answers and we have still not all of the versions of the standardized answers (let alone: we do still not have ONE single standardized answer - although a few of the Students were capable of sending such answers in the past). The same statement is valid for semi-standardized examples. We have a single not-standardized examples which will be handled e.g. in the ELSE-branch of an answer-handling-process in future...


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To give a standardized answer, we should follow the exact specified format.

Subject Line Precision: The subject line is written exactly as instructed, with “thesis submission deadline =” followed by one of the allowed options (“2026 Apr” in this case). No additional words, punctuation, or deviations from the given options are added.

Empty the body: I think adding additional text on the body would break the standardized format. Thus, the body of the email should left empty following the implicit instruction to use the subject line only.

Following an exact pattern will benefit the automation process of gathering data e.g Automated Email Parsing, Regular Expression (Regex) Matching.


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This format provides consistent and predictable length, ensuring proper parsing and storage in a database or file.


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Agreed to the observations and to add, that when adding semi-standardized answers, it can also be useful to give examples of possible deviations and errors


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Dear Mentor and Classmates,

Here is my standardized answer based on the document:

- The mentor’s role is to support students in completing tasks related to the thesis.
- Students must email their thesis submission deadline in the specified format by the deadline (e.g., thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr).
- Communication will occur via MS Teams and email, with all submissions containing the student’s full name and NEPTUN code.

Thank you for the guidance on this process.

Regards,
[Your Name]


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For the “NOT-standardized answers” sub-thread, you’ll need to provide a more personal, creative, or informal response based on your interpretation of the document. Here’s how you can approach it:
Hello Professor Pitlik and Classmates,

After reading through the mentor’s welcome message, it’s clear how important it is to stay proactive and engaged. I appreciate the structured guidance for the thesis, especially knowing that our work must be reproducible and data-focused. I think this approach really prepares us for real-world applications in computer science.

As for the communication expectations, I’ll admit that using multiple platforms (Teams, Moodle, email) can be a lot to manage, but it does make sense to keep everyone updated efficiently. I'll make it a point to stay active and check in daily.

Looking forward to this journey together!

Best,
[Your Name]


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NOT-standardized answers deviate from the strict format provided in the instruction.
(e.g. extra information in the subject line"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr - I plan to submit earlier if possible",
alternative wording format "I will submit my thesis in April 2025", OR adding multiple options)

The automated scripts cannot process these examples, making it harder to analyze responses efficiently.


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A standardized answer would be a clear, concise, and professional response that follows the mentor’s outlined requirements and displays an understanding of the instructions provided. Standardized answers must be more objective perspectives, formal and complete. Example of Standardized answers:
Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline

Dear [Mentor Name],

Thank you for the warm welcome, and for outlining the expectations and guidelines for the semester.

I confirm my understanding of the first task and will be sure to submit my thesis deadline [Your chosen deadline date] as instructed. I have taken note of the formatting requirements and will ensure that my email contains the correct subject format for thesis submission.

I also acknowledge that I need to stay active on both my university email and MS Teams and will include my full name and NEPTUN code in all correspondence.

Thank you once again for the information and support!

Best regards,
[Your Name]
[Your NEPTUN Code]


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Non-standardized responses could take various forms, as they allow for more personal expression and individuality. Include a friendly or informal tone, with expressions of enthusiasm, share personal thoughts about the expectations and offer additional comments, like sharing availability for calls or personal preferences for project topics or deadlines, if applicable. Lack complete adherence to the formal academic structure also. Example of Not Standardized answer:

Hi [Mentor],

Thanks for the warm welcome back and for all the detailed instructions on how to get started with our thesis work this semester. I appreciate knowing the expectations up front.

I’ll make sure to send my deadline preference by the [date] with the exact subject format you specified. I’ll also stay on top of my emails and MS Teams notifications to keep everything organized.

Thanks for guiding us through the process!

Best,
[Your Name]


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To give a standardized answer, it’s really about following the instructions to the letter:

Subject Line Precision: The subject line should be exactly as specified: “thesis submission deadline =” followed by one of the approved dates (like “2026 Apr”). Keeping it just like this—without any extra words, symbols, or variations—ensures it meets the format requirements.

Leave the Email Body Empty: Adding anything in the body of the email would actually go against the standardized format. So, it’s best to leave it blank, as the instructions imply that only the subject line needs to be used.

Benefits for Data Management: Sticking to this exact pattern makes it easier to process and organize the responses. With everyone’s emails in the same format, it’s simple to automate things like sorting and tracking, which helps both students and mentors stay organized.


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Standardized Answer Concept:
In this document, a standardized answer refers to responses that follow a specific, pre-determined format for consistency across sections. These answers are structured to align with set guidelines or templates and follow a systematic approach in presenting information, which includes:

Uniform Structure: Every parameter discussed in the "Automation of Parameters" chapter is presented with the same fields: Data Source, Automation Tool, Automation Method, and Optimization Ideas. This approach standardizes the document and simplifies analysis.

Clear Terminology: Using the same technical terms and structure for each automated parameter enhances readability, reduces ambiguity, and makes the content easy to compare across different sections. For instance, all references to "Automation Tool" or "Data Source" would be uniform, rather than using varying terms for similar concepts.

Concise Detail and Relevant Information Only: Each answer includes only information directly relevant to automation, minimizing extraneous details. Screenshots, code snippets, and explanations are given in a manner that supports clarity, rather than overwhelming the reader with unrelated content.

Such a standardized format would make it straightforward for readers to locate specific details about each automated parameter without sifting through inconsistent information or structure.

Non-Standardized Answer Possibilities
In contrast, a non-standardized answer would vary in format, style, and level of detail, potentially resulting in responses that:

Lack a Uniform Structure: Responses might differ from section to section in how they present data sources, tools, and methods. For instance, one automated parameter might start with a general description, while another immediately dives into specific details, leading to inconsistency across sections.

Use Inconsistent Terminology: Different technical terms might be used interchangeably (e.g., using “monitoring software” in one section and “automation tool” in another). This inconsistency can make it harder for readers to follow and compare the information.

Include Varying Levels of Detail: Some sections might have extensive narrative explanations, while others are brief or omit specific technical steps altogether. This could lead to a document that feels uneven in its presentation and lacks the concise focus needed for easy analysis.


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Non-standardized answers are responses that stray from the exact format given in the instructions. Some common ways this happens include:

Adding Extra Information: For example, writing something like “thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr - I plan to submit earlier if possible.” While well-meaning, this additional info isn’t part of the standard format.
Rephrasing the Subject Line: Saying something like “I will submit my thesis in April 2025” instead of using the exact wording doesn’t follow the template, which makes it harder to track.
Listing Multiple Options: Including more than one possible date or other variations creates inconsistencies.
Since these responses don’t fit the strict format, they can’t be picked up by automated scripts, making it tricky to analyze and slowing down the whole process.


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Subject: Thesis Deadline Info

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that I plan to submit my thesis by [month] [year]. I'm working hard on it and really appreciate your help along the way.

I'll make sure to keep in touch and check in on the MS Teams group. If I need anything, I’ll definitely reach out!

Thanks for everything!

Best,
[Full Name]
[Neptun Code]


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Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline Information

Dear Professor [Last Name],

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to inform you that I planned thesis submission deadline is [month] [year]. I am currently making steady progress on my project and appreciate the mentoring support you offer.

I will ensure that all communication follows the required format and timelines. I look forward to participating in the MS Teams group and will reach out if I need further consultations.

Thank you for your guidance and support!

Best regards,
[Your Full Name]
[NEPTUN Code]


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And finally, what is the ideal length for an standardized answer? What kind of potential answers (existing strings) are really existing as ideal (standardized) answers?


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IT-experts must be always ready to deliver one/more examples in case of each sentence (not relevant from which source) having parts where generalized phenomena are mentioned! A final exam can be managed based on god examples in case of each question! Without good examples, the generalized (seemingly professional) gossiping (see ChatGPT) is not really valuable...


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For the Standardized Answer:
Email Subject Line:
thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr

Email Body:
(Leave this blank as instructed)

Future Emails and MS Teams Messages:
Make sure to include your full name and NEPTUN code in all communications, like this:

Example Signature:
Best regards,
[Your Full Name]
[Your NEPTUN Code]

This approach keeps everything organized, makes data gathering easier for the mentor, and shows that you’ve followed the instructions carefully.


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Non-Standardized Answer for Example
Incorrect Subject Line:

“Thesis deadline - April 2026”
Adding anything extra here, like “deadline” or changing the format slightly, would go against the exact wording the mentor asked for.
Adding Text in the Email Body:

If you add anything in the body, even just “Hi, here’s my deadline,” it would break the instruction to leave the body empty.
Leaving Out Name or NEPTUN Code:

For future messages, if you forget to add your full name or NEPTUN code, it might make it harder for the mentor to keep track of everyone’s responses.
These examples show how small changes can throw off the standardization they’re looking for.


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Question: Is this an example for the not-standardized case or rather is it a semi-standardized answer? The answer for this particular question is only correct, if it is possible to filter the relevant information units. This "filtering" could even be managed with involving ChatGPT?!
(estimated time for an appropriate entry: 30 minutes)


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message:
Subject: Project Submission Timeline – [Month] [Year]

Dear Mentor,

I am writing to confirm my planned submission deadline for the project as [month] [year]. I am fully engaged in the work and intend to utilize the available mentorship opportunities.

I will ensure all communications are formatted correctly and sent within the required timeframes. Additionally, I will be active in the MS Teams group and will reach out if further guidance is needed.

Thank you for your support and attention.

Best regards,
[Full Name]
[Student ID / NEPTUN Code]


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Is this a real/ideal definition of the standardized answer? What is the ideal length of a standardized answer based on the entry above?


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Subject: Thesis Deadline Info

Dear prof,

My submission deadline is [month] [year].
I'll make sure to inform you on my steps.
Regards,
[Full Name]
[Neptun Code]


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In the context of an educational thread, a standardized answer could, for example, include:

Clear restatement of the question or prompt.
Structured organization, with an introduction, main points, and conclusion.
Consistent use of terminology relevant to the document or field.
Use of specific references from the provided document to support the answer.


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Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline - [Month] [Year]

Hey there,

Just a quick note to let you know I’m on track to submit my thesis in [month] [year]. I’m grinding through the work and totally down to use those mentoring options you mentioned.

I’ll stick to the communication rules and be active in the MS Teams group. If I hit any bumps, I’ll reach out!

Thanks for having my back!

Cheers,
[Full Name]
[NEPTUN Code]


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A standardized answer is a type of response that is designed in certain modalities and set guidelines to make sure there is coherence as well as clarity. It is often employed in tests and formal interactions, making it possible to compare and evaluate responses uniformly and objectively across the board.

The term standardized answer, in relation to the document in question, means any reply which answers the query used in the document provided, in the manner advised by the mentor for proper communication. In this case, the standardized answer would involve emailing the specified email address, for example, ptlkiszl@my-x.hu and the submission deadline’s format in the title as:

Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline = [Your Chosen Option]

This ensures that students’ communications are uniform and the responses and data management are easy for the mentor and the professor. The standardized answer stresses submission of full names together with NEPTUN codes so as to keep the communication system in order throughout the semester which in turn saves time and prevents overlapping of necessary information. The guidelines do not only show unhealthy emphasis on formality of communication, they also demonstrate the ability of the student to meet the requirements which is very pertinent especially during the thesis work.


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Non-standardized answers are those that are not in the required format as instructed in the highlighted document. For example:
Informal Email Responses: Reacting through an informal email, students may not submit the required subject format like:

Subject: My Thesis Submission Deadline

Body: Hi, I had just wanted to let you know that I intend to submit my thesis in April 2025. Thank you!

The answer scaffolds, making it difficult for the mentor to order and interpret the provided replies.

Deficiency of Essential Information: Another possibility is absence of crucial information like their full name or the NEPTUN code in the response:

Subject: Thesis Due Date = 15th April 2023

Body: I am planning to.

The proposed submission date is there in the reply, but such a response leaves out the vital details that the mentor needs.

Such non-standardized answers may be problematic by creating ambiguity, making it hard to follow up on response, creating potential for communication failures, it points to the fact of the need to adhere to Standardized procedures for effective communication.


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A standardized answer includes precise identification (name, NEPTUN code) and adherence to communication formats required by the professor, in my case will be thesis progress, Microsoft Teams and email. So be make sure to write the email precisely write the Subject line= which would be "Submission deadline" .

Body: In this section, I have to write clear opinions and relevant questions. Start with a brief introduction if necessary, followed by main reason to message. Keep sentences short and focused. Ensure details are specific and organized logically.
Closing: End with a polite closing (e.g., “Best regards”=In my case) and include full name and NEPTUN code.
Using proper salutation is going to be more formal and giving formal signal to the person I am going to send.

Following clear organized structure of email would be more easily to understand and would be easily to answer my email.


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Standardized answer is an answer directly focused on the question without unnecessary pleasantries and elaborations. For example, in this situation:
Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline = ..............

(Full Name)
(Neptune Code).
Following that its ideal length would be formatted by only three lines including the subject.


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A not-standardized answer would cover the answers that did not follow the instructions, writing full emails including greetings, explanations, and unnecessary details.

For example,

My thesis submission deadline is = 2025 ( not precise, did not follow instruction )

Dear Professor, I would like to submit my thesis in April 2025 or May 2025. Also I wonder if there is anything I need to do.



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In my opinion, The ideal length for a standardized answer typically ranges between 50 to 200 words. This range allows enough space to cover the answer thoroughly while staying concise and focused. However, a shorter answer (even one sentence) could suffice if the question or task is simple. Ideal types of standardized answers include:
1. Single-Word/Phrase – For simple responses like "Yes" or "Approved."
2. Bullet Points – For listing steps or key items.
3. Short Paragraph – When brief context is needed.
4. Templates – For repeat questions, with fillable fields for specifics.
These formats ensure clarity, consistency, and relevance in responses.


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Thank you for your feedback.

To answer your question, my initial response aimed to be a practical example of a standardized answer rather than an ideal definition. However, upon reflection, an ideal standardized answer would be even more concise, focusing only on the essential points without added details. This keeps the communication clear, uniform, and easy to process, aligning with the expectations in the document.

Regarding length, I would suggest that an ideal standardized answer should be just long enough to convey necessary information—typically one or two sentences. In this case, that would mean including only the thesis submission deadline in the required format, without additional context or greetings.


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For example Q:What is the risk level of remote worker 5?
Standardized answer
Remote Worker 5 Risk Level: 540 (Standardized formate,Important information,No extra details and easy to use for automate script)
Non-Standardized answer
Remote Worker 5 is the higher facing the risk level of 543, but this could be change with more data (Contain extra and non-important information hard to use for automate script)


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For such a question (see: What is the risk level of remote worker 5?), there is just in cases standardized answers, if the asking person defined already in advance rules for standardizing (see demo0 basis-email). The COCO engines (STD, Y0, MCM, etc.) offer API-like connection possibilities based on C-URL-calls. A C-URL-oriented versions of the well-known browser-oriented COCO-engines (delivering complex answers for each job) send only parts of the complex outputs (e.g. only estimation values: https://miau.my-x.hu/bprof/2021/curl.docx). It is a big difference between standardization and interpretation. The complex COCO-outputs are just values (incl. estimations). The derivation of the meaning of all these outputs does need special interpretation modules or even COCO-chains using new and newer OAM generated in the interpretation modules.


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Each interpretation is interesting, BUT we simply need the length (a single number e.g. between 0 und 100) of the ideal/standardized answer. The customers/project partners are quasi not interested to know about our background interpretations for a solution, till the solution as such is not presented...


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We need no further textual interpretations before the length of the standardized answer is not given as a very exact number! A question (e.g. asking for the length of the standardized answer) may not interpret more complex, than it is really needed (c.f. Occam's razor). We are working on this simple question (needing just a simple number as answer) and we do still not have this asked number - since days (although the real complexity does not expect a whole minute). Would you (as stakeholder/project owner of a project) really finance your experts with this low efficiency day-by-day?


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We do need the exact length of the standardized answer - first of all! And only after the presenting this number: the argumentations and all the existing versions of the standardized answers. On the other hand: if the question (expecting a standardized answer) is sent as email to email-adresses being stored for the affected person in a database (c.f. Neptun), why it is necessary to have names and neptun-codes? What is the key information being capable to identify the particular person? This a a new and central question in this thread! (estimated time for answering: 30 minutes - because the problem as such can be identified in more entries and all these previous entries should be identified before answering...)


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Is this interpretation acceptable, if we are searching for a single/simple number for the length of the standardized answer? New question in this thread: Why it is important for system planning challenges to know in advance the lengths of a standardized answer if the number of person is already given who have to send an answer? (estimated time for an appropriate entry: 15 minutes) Is it important, that a person may send more (standardized or not-standardized) answers? If yes, why? If not, why? (estimated time for an appropriate entry: 15 minutes)


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What is your opinion about following definition about the really not-standardized answers (if we know, that we have the 3th category in the classification issue: semi-standardized answer): A really not-standardized answer let not filter/identify all needed components of the standardized answer through artistic fog in the textual realisation (c.f. quasi encrypting - artistic cryptograhy instead of following intructions about the standardization (c.f. functional analphabetism, arbitrary self-realisation, etc.).


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Is somebody capable to explain, why the length of the standardized answer still not given? This thread is a massive demonstration for focus-less communication?! There are clear questions (see: length, argumentation, whole example-set) even through multiple entries. ChatGPT (the gossiping machine) does have a kind of similar behaviour: instead to produce a focused output, each associative elements will be offered. BUT why? Who does need such kind a communication? (this fog-building strategy is surely not needed in a final exam-situation).


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If a new example is publishing, it is important to define, what are the new aspects compared to the previous ones? If there are no new aspects in the planned "new" example, then this entry is not needed from point of view of the thread. Such an entry let increase the appropriate statistics (KPI), but a lot of similar entries makes a process just slower, they need more technical resources - for no relevant impacts.


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This interpretation is one of the potential existing ones. Do have this interpretation special advantages? Where/when seems to be relevant such a new interpretation? The basic situation does expect a standardzed answer = an ideal answer quasi with the less and less characters for a correct information processing. The information processing via email does not need a form, it does not need a database, it makes possible to filter the emails based on the subject, especially based on the first (common) part of the standardized answer in order to identify (later even with source-codes-support) the person-dependent key information units. New question: What could be the most shortened standardized answer? (length, definition, example-set)? (estimated time for an appropriate entry: 30 minutes)


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Special task/question: Is somebody capable of creating text-examples for totally not-standardized answers, where a human can filter/identify/decode the needed information units, BUT a ChatGPT-version can not manage the same challenge?! (estimated time for an appropriate entry: 30 minutes - where a ChatGPT-based documentation does always need a prompt, the ChatGPT-answer, and the interpretations of the author in format of a WORD-file with an active change-tracking layer for theauthor's opinion (c.f. like in case of the final theses where the ChatGPT-like engines must definitely be used in different useful forms.)


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Is it possible to deliver the number of the ideal length in case of the standardized answers based on all these interpretation layers? Or especially these complex interpretation makes impossible to deliver a focused answer conserning the n-times asked standard-length?


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1. Length: Around 20–30 characters for core information.
2. Definition: 5–10 words for a direct response.
3. Example Tags: 2–3 keywords for quick context.

For example: Project report
Dear XY

My Project will be done in 2026 nov.

Sincerely
XY


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For example, my first thought was to simply give him a slang but that doesn't work, so I asked it if it can read hieroglyph so when I sent him the message turns out he can't decipher it but we can with the help of this website https://discoveringegypt.com/hieroglyphic-typewriter/


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Thank you for clarifying, Professor Pitlik.

Based on your feedback, I would suggest that the ideal length for a standardized answer in this context is approximately 15-20 characters, assuming we’re only including the essential information like the deadline format (e.g., "2025 Apr").

Best regards,


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I think,an ideal answer should be around 30-50 words. This length keeps the message clear and to the point.



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We are searching one single exact number (length of the standardized answer / unit=character-number, integer, n>0. The solution is therefore not an interval. The proof of this number is the argumentation (rules for derivation) and the set of the potential answers covering the rules and havig exact the expected/calculated ideal length.


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Relevant, new aspect: the definition of a standard string should define not only a length, the content as such, but also a kind of code page for character encoding...


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All these backgrounds are relevant for finalizing the length of the ideal answer! We do need one single number!


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Helpful remark: in our particular case, a standardized answer should have an ideal length. Without this number, without its derivation rules for this number and without the set of each potntial string (answer) covering the derivation rules, this thread (incl. sub-threads is an unsuccessul performance, where the project owner may not pay for the IT-experts, not a cent...


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Why may we interpret this particular (or each other) entry as a new relevant information? Why it is better, than a randomly generated string? A randonly generated reaction/answer/item/entry is always the benchmark in order to be capable of prooving, whether an entry is relevant or just a useless new record... Parallel, based on each entry, it is to expect, that we can add new relevant entries: but which is a new follow-action entry-by-entry? Or an entry is relevant, if a thread can be closed: e.g. we are seraching for the ideal length of the standardized answer since a lot of days, where the expected time for deriving the expected number should be measured in minutes!


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Please, deliver a very clear example(s): what is a semi-standardized (filterable/excludable) additional information in the subject-line? What is an additional information in the subject line, making the automation quasi totally impossible? (estimated time for each example: 15 minutes)


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We do need the exact number of the ideal length, it means, please search for the keyword "number" within this HTML-page and please, interpret all the affected entries! (estimated time for generating an overview in order to derive the expected number, finally: 30 minutes)


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How about EBCDIC (Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code)

The Length is it has a length of 256 possible characters (2^8). However, it doesn’t utilize all of these in a straightforward way like ASCII or Unicode.

Content: Specifies the exact characters or symbols in the string, including any special characters, numbers, or punctuation.

Example: kแv้z๓ �dv๖zl?
Length: This string has 13 characters:

7 for "kแv้z๓ " (meaning "caf้")
1 space
6 for "�dv๖zl" (the beginning of the word "�dv๖zl๖m," meaning "welcome")
1 for "?" (coffee)


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We do need one single number for the question concerning the ideal length, and the set of the potential examples (having in all cases exactly the number of the length of the strings, what we are searching for, and we do need the derivation rules for this length-parameter too...


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To determine an ideal single length for a standard string that includes diverse content and encoding possibilities, we need a balanced number that can comfortably hold a wide variety of text types (like multi-language phrases, accented characters, and emojis) while also being compact enough to prevent excessive length.


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Length = 256 characters
This length can support most common uses, including multi-language support, special characters, and emojis, while maintaining reasonable storage and processing efficiency.


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https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997
We are searching for this particular challenge the number of the length.
Self-check (expected): please, list all potential versions of the standardized answer-options exactly with the same (expexted) length!


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Dear Professor Pitlik,

Thank you for your feedback. Here is my revised response based on the expectations:

Ideal Length of Standardized Answer: 25 characters.

Derivation Rules: The length of 25 characters is ideal because it includes all essential information in a consistent format:

Structure: The text "thesis submission deadline =" plus the date in "YYYY MMM" format.
Consistency and Efficiency: Each answer is concise yet comprehensive, with no unnecessary information, allowing for uniformity in automated processing.
Set of Potential Ideal Answers:

"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
Thank you for the guidance, and I hope this aligns more closely with your expectations.

Best regards,
Munkhjargal Ariunbold


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For example, a common reply can be: "Thank you for your question. We got your request and will reply in two business days" .This answer has exact lenght 116 characters, which is short and to the point. When sending such answers by email, it is also necessary to include names and Neptun codes of people in the database. This helps us identify each person correctly and avoid confusion with others who might have similar names. Keeping accurate records ensures that messages go to the right people and makes the process more efficient.


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While it's possible to determine an ideal length for standardized answers based on the interpretation layers in the document, a flexible approach is often more effective. By structuring each parameter—Data Source, Automation Tool, Automation Method, and Optimization Ideas—with concise, relevant details, an approximate length of 5–8 sentences (or around 100–150 words) can serve as a practical guideline. This structure typically allows for clarity without unnecessary detail, balancing thoroughness and brevity.

However, the complexity inherent in some interpretations may occasionally necessitate a longer answer. Strict adherence to a single standard length could oversimplify responses, especially for parameters requiring nuanced explanation. Thus, while a general target length is achievable, allowing for flexibility based on complexity ensures that each answer remains clear and comprehensive. This approach provides consistency while adapting to the specific needs of each parameter.


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https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163425
Whether all these entries (without the expected number of the ideal length) are products of the ChatGPT? If yes, it is necessary to let us know, it is necessary to have a sign about this fact. Please, in case of each entry, where the ChatGPT was used in direct or indirect form, make a new entry about the how-used information (estimated time: 30 minutes). Independet of the yes/not-situation: it is necessary, that someboy make an experiment with the ChatGPT and try to enforce even the expected length here and now(estimated time: min. 1 hour).


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A number, ideally within 0 to 100 characters, as you suggested. This would likely vary depending on context and usage but should be concise enough for clarity without unnecessary verbosity.


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The rationale here would address why this specific number was chosen based on readability, response speed, or relevance for the intended audience. For example, if 50 characters is the ideal, the justification could include how shorter responses tend to improve comprehension and are more direct in communication.


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https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163425 <--Why it this item such as important on the way to the expected number of the ideal length (c.f. KNUTH:-)?! (We do not need the magic of words, we do need operationalized/operationalisable communication.


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let's take this example:

""Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline - Februar 2026

Dear Mentor,

I would like to inform you that my planned thesis submission deadline is Februar 2026. I am actively working on the project and will make full use of the mentoring opportunities you provide.

I will ensure that all communication is carried out in the appropriate format and within the required timeframes. Please expect my participation in the MS Teams group as well, and I will reach out if I need any further consultations or assistance.

Thank you for your attention and support!

Best regards,
Kiss Andras
A4BCDE""

Its specified length is 96 characters.

Generally, a formal, well-organized email message I write typically falls between 100-150 words, depending on the level of detail and precision required.
The example message I provided is approximately 80-100 words (96), which I believe is ideal for a simple yet informative response.

Why is that?

The length of my response depends on how detailed I choose to make the message. If I keep it concise and to the point, it will be shorter, while adding more details naturally increases the length.

Accuracy and clarity: By writing precisely and clearly, I help the reader understand the main points without unnecessary information or repetition. This means that precise wording can reduce the required character count while keeping the message complete and appropriate.

In summary, a formal, standard-length message I aim for usually falls between 80-150 words, influenced by the amount of information I include and the quality of my expression.

But this can vary. If the Professor only, I emphasize ONLY, asks for my name, date and Neptun code, then it can be very short. Ex: 39 characters that I mentioned.


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In this example, this count everything: spaces, special characters, commas, periods, equal signs, etc. – basically, everything.

If we count my example like this, it can be about 582 ( I also checked in Excel) words. Because we count spaces and all other characters.


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If we consider the length of a standard response while counting spaces, punctuation marks, and all other characters, it would typically fall between 200-300 characters. This range is sufficient to provide a meaningful yet concise answer that conveys the essence without delving into unnecessary details. BUT if we were to format our response nicely, such as breaking it into paragraphs, using bullet points, or highlighting certain sections, the length of the response would typically fall between 300-500 characters (or more).


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Its specified length is 96 characters vs. Thesis Submission Deadline - Februar 2026 <--Confuse or consistent? More (potential) examples? New question for a new number: We are searching for the number of the potential ideal strings (standardized answers) based on the demo0-documentation! What is this number being relevant for the further planning activities? What is the derivation rules for this number? (estimated time: 15 minutes)


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https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163425 - Is it really impossible to derive the exact result of the presented Excel-formula at all? :-) What kind of help/support is still needed to have the expected number of the ideal length? Please, do not forget the also expected self-check = the whole set of all potential standardized answers: c.f. second expected number about the volume of the compinatorial space of the potential ideal answers (exactly in case of the particular challenge)...


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It is possible to get the exact result from the Excel formula, but if the formula is complex with many combinations, checking all possible answers can be challenging. To find the ideal result, it’s important to break down the formula and verify all potential combinations.


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It is possible to get the exact result from the Excel formula, but if the formula is complex with many combinations, checking all possible answers can be challenging. To find the ideal result, it’s important to break down the formula and verify all potential combinations. <--PLEASE, DO IT FINALLY! ??


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The exact length of the standardized answer "thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr" is 34 characters(5 words). This length is determined by using the LEN() function in excel such as =LEN(G66) in the picture.


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We do search again and again for the set of the potential strings with the ideal length (see: number of items in the combinatorial space + list of these items)


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Parallel to the magic-of-words-effects (see riskily interpretable text-streams), we have to communicate more and more based on more massive pseudo codes- following the KNUTH-principle: https://miau.my-x.hu/miau2009/index_tki.php3?_filterText0=*knuth


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If I understood the task correctly, a standardized answer is a predetermined formatting style for responses pertaining to multiple different interactions or communications that aid in providing concise, organized, and most importantly consistent transfers of information. A standardized answer concerning the highlighted document would be the section in the main body that reads: "All emails, submissions, and requests made by you must contain clear data with full names and neptun codes". This statement sets the basis for the information required in a standardized answer, thus; all of our communications should contain this information at the very minimum. Full names and neptun codes are sets of information that will not change regardless of the topic, task, or other information, so it would make sense to combine these into one signature as stated in the document. The clear data, however, would change based on the information or current task and would need to be as concise as possible to retain as much useful and important information as possible while still remaining clear and understandable.


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Seemingly correct text-elements, but without any operative value: we do need the asked numbers ํsee before) und just behind these exact answers (and not instead of exactness) may we write more explanation, remarks, etc. Planning is a lot of commands for executive partners. Long text-elements can not be interpreted as commands. Commands are short and precise phenomena (numbers, proofs, figures - pseudo-code-like approaches).


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But I wrote that the number of words is only 96, if you count all the characters, it is much more. In this case, we can talk about hundreds of characters in terms of length. (If we count my example like this, it can be about 582 ( I also checked in Excel) words)

Examples of Potential Standardized Responses:

Simple Confirmation

"Subject: Meeting Confirmation
Dear [Mentor's Name],
I confirm our meeting scheduled for [Date, Time]. Please let me know if any details change.
Best regards, [Your Name, Neptun Code]"
Thesis Progress Update

"Subject: Thesis Progress Update
Dear Mentor,
I’m making steady progress on my thesis and am on track for my planned February 2026 submission. Let me know if any additional materials are required for our next review.
Regards, [Your Name, Neptun Code]"
Request for Feedback

"Subject: Request for Feedback on Thesis Draft
Dear Mentor,
I’ve completed a draft of my thesis. I would appreciate your feedback on the content and structure. I’m available to discuss at your earliest convenience.
Best, [Your Name, Neptun Code]"

"What is this number being relevant for further planning activities?"

Explanation: Standardizing responses:

Saves Time: Having a set of pre-drafted responses reduces the time you spend composing similar messages.
Improves Consistency: Standardization ensures clarity and professionalism in all interactions, which can help maintain a clear communication style with your mentor.
Enhances Organization: You can focus on planning and tracking progress rather than drafting each message individually.

�What is the derivation rule for this number?”

Example Derivation Rule:

Identify Key Topics: Look for common communication themes in your mentor interactions, such as thesis updates, meeting requests, and feedback queries.
Frequency of Use: Prioritize responses based on how often each topic arises.
Adjust for Specific Requirements: Include any specialized responses your mentor or the documentation emphasizes.


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Please, fill the test questionnaire immediately: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967


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According to the document, standardized answers must include:

Ideal Length: Though the document notes that the exact "ideal" length is yet to be defined, standardized answers are expected to fall within certain parameters to maintain uniformity.
Defined Argumentation Rules: Standardized answers should follow specific argumentation rules, which justify their length and content. This helps to ensure that answers are not only concise but also relevant and structured.
Set of Potential Ideal Items: Standardized answers should incorporate a set of items that are considered "ideal" or essential. These items would be predefined, making the answer easily comparable with others.


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Variable Length: Unlike standardized answers, non-standardized answers do not have a defined or consistent length, allowing respondents to elaborate or keep their answers brief based on their preferences or interpretation.
Flexible Argumentation: Without rigid argumentation rules, non-standardized answers may present points in various ways, potentially making them more subjective and varied in perspective.
Absence of a Defined Set of Ideal Items: Non-standardized answers do not need to include specific, predetermined items. This flexibility allows for more creativity and personalization but may make comparison and evaluation more challenging.


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EXPECTATIONS & EVALUATIONS

1. THERE WERE TEMPORARY ACCESS RIGHTS PROBLEMS & NOBODY SENT ANY EMAILS ABOUT THEM TO THE ORGANIZERS! = :-(

2. THERE WERE NEPTUN-EMAILS SENT TO YOU ABOUT THE TASKS IN MOODLE & NOBODY DID ANYTHING IMMEDIATELY! = :-(

3. THERE IS AN EVALUATION SHEET FROM NOW ON & ??? = ???


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4. THERE WAS A PARAMETER BEING CAPABLE OF STOPPING THE USING OF THE PREFERRED LANGUAGE & NOBODY SIGNALISED THIS PROBLEM = :-(


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WORTH KNOWING ABOUT IT:
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/report/summary/index.php?courseid=17814&forumid=29927


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This error message is a kind of conspirative error message, in order to cover the real problem: Students do not have any permission for the reports about their comparative activities (see: Number of discussions posted / Number of replies posted / Number of attachments / Number of views / Word count / Character count / Earliest post / Most recent post / Export posts) - but this report (log-database) is existing:(https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/report/summary/index.php?courseid=17814&forumid=29927)


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On the one hand: A lot of confirmation emails (a few of them even standardized) is already available. The tasks are therefore well-known. On the other hand: the activity level is the same as before = low! The special chance/challenge (see last Neptun-email from me) is a real chance, but only for Students, really wanting to cooperate...


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The entire evaluation challenges (see Quasi Exam I-II-III) as such is a second interim report. Conclusions: relevant facts about the professional thruths (c.f. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62981#p164097) seems to be unimportant for the naive ranking processes. The scores needing an aggregated value were only processed based on a totally naive approach: average and/or total scores. Planning (and in general decision making) does need a KNUTH-oriented (source-code-compatible) concept about the scalable Goodness of potential objects. Without a not-naive concept, the voting-like approaches lead never to the expected clarity.


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Tarantino: Pulp fiction (1994) - What scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo5jnBJvGUs
Please, never forget, that the most standarized answer can be very-very important...
A final thesis and the final exam ist a kind of what-scene: it is not recommended to be too arbitrary/instinctive - it is worth of being question-oriented, standardization-driven...
:-)


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Less extreme didactic interpretation about the needed focusing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes,_no,_black,_white


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Please, read the follwowing document: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154996�(ca. 75 minutes)

Please, create at least one new entry within this thread (bubble/topic): why it is still not possible to create qualitative source codes immediately concerning the highlighted document above?�(ca. 30 minutes)

Please, follow frequently the thread and please, comment the further entries of the other Students to yours and vice versa!�(min. 120 minutes during the whole semester)



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Sub-thread: Comments from point of view of the logical system plan
Post your entries replying to THIS comment!


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Sub-thread: Comments from point of view of the physical system plan
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Sub-thread: Comments from point of view of future system operation
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Sub-thread: Comments from point of view of requirements analysis
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It remains a challenge to immediately generate high-quality source code, especially when dealing with complex problems. This is often due to factors such as the quality of automation tools, the source data, and the integration of programming tools. More specifically, the complexity of writing code, optimization possibilities, and the variety of sources all contribute to the fact that a single piece of code is not always flawless or optimal right away.


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From the perspective of the logical system plan, the automation chapters should first thoroughly explain the Coco analysis, including its principles, methods used, and the results obtained. This ensures a solid foundation of understanding before proceeding to the automation steps. Detailing the automation of parameters and the relationship between the APIs and tools ensures the system operates consistently and efficiently. Exploring future automation possibilities logically supports the scalability of the system and highlights potential optimizations.


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From the perspective of the physical system plan, processing the data from Coco analysis may require significant computational resources, especially when dealing with large Excel files. Accurate data collection and storage are crucial for the later analysis of automated parameters. APIs and automation tools (such as SNMP, vnStat) require adequate hardware support and network connectivity to ensure the continuous provision of updated data. The physical components of the system include servers, network devices, and the software infrastructure used for data collection. These physical resources should be designed to handle future expansions and optimizations effectively.


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From the perspective of future system operation, it is important to ensure that the automation processes are sustainable and easily scalable. Future updates to APIs, such as SNMP or Windows Defender, must be considered to maintain compatibility with evolving technologies for automated parameter collection. The system should also allow for the integration of new automation tools as technology and cybersecurity threats develop. Future optimizations may involve the application of artificial intelligence for data analysis and the inclusion of additional automation tools to enhance efficiency.


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In the requirements analysis, it is essential to determine what data is needed for the Coco analysis and the collection of automated parameters. Data sources such as antivirus logs, IDS (Intrusion Detection System) logs, and network traffic statistics must be reliable and continuously available. The system must support seamless integration of various APIs, such as Windows Defender API or SNMP. Accurate and fast data processing, along with scalability and future expandability, are also key requirements. Additionally, cybersecurity concerns and potential optimization opportunities should be considered to enhance the system’s efficiency.


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The observation are really good and the chall enge reminds to properly embed the APIs in the code. I have found few tools to optimize the code and will share it soon will look forward to your review


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The real success in this Moodle-based process is: the particular Author (e.g. Annex:demo1) will be capable of planning the automation in a deep detailed form, where further Students should say: I could also create the necessary/needed codes without any further questions based on the finetuned planning documentations!


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It is not possible to instantly create perfect source codes because coding takes time and understanding. The project needs specific solutions, like user access or friendly interface, help section and correlation matrix based quality assurance module. These need to be planned carefully, tested, and adjusted to fit the project’s needs, especially for automation. Since there are multiple steps, creating high quality codes right away is not easy task.


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The project owner (author of a final thesis) does need such kind of cooperation, where the recent status of the project could be finetuned in an unmisunderstoodable way. General interpretation (like chatGPT) are not relevant,, not in case of grading (see communication about the ideal length of the standardized answer, where only the excat number and its derivation rule is valuable). Triviale finetunings steps are e.g. corrections of the original/particular text version, and/or figures (e.g. flowcharts, other aspects of pseudocodes) being to integrate into the final thesis in a direct way, or quotes/citations with exact source data and argumentations about the why-it-is-important phenomena.... Please, do not forget: the aim is, to have a better planning documentation, where each Student have to say immediately: I-am-capable-of-programming-the-solution-without-any-further-questions! Therefore, only such kind of cooperation is relevant, where potential questions can be avoided through finetuning-oriented recommendations: e.g. arbitrary, aimless opinions as such are irrelevant...


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Please, check/interpret the show-parent-options in case of this entry! (https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62900#p163163)


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Please, evaluate each entry from point of view of the usefulness for the author of a final thesis: whether an entry can be involved in a direct way as finetuning effect into the final thesis or not? (Estimated time in this point of the thread-volume: 60 minutes). Evaluations can be written as new entries for each entry. Please, finetune each entry being still not matured enough for including into a final thesis. (Estimated time in this point of the thread-volume: 90 minutes). In case of evalutions and/or finetuning for a better evaluation, please, integrate the permalink of this entry into your entries in order to signalize the connection between task-oriented and reaction-oriented entries...


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okay it’s mean it is important to focus on making targeted corrections to text and figures, integrating precise quotes and citations with clear sources. The goal is to create documentation so straightforward that each student can confidently implement the solution without needing further guidance. Thus, aimless opinions aren’t helpful; only direct, refinement-focused suggestions should be considered.but with finetunning it will be hard to ensure clarity and prevent future questions.


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"but with fine tuning it will be hard to ensure clarity and prevent future questions."<--How else then, if fine tuning is not a good workflow for avoiding question concerning a documentation?


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I think ,If the documentation is clear and easy to use. Write in simple language, provide detailed steps and examples. Regularly update it based on user feedback to keep it helpful and clear can avoid questions concerning a documentation


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The expectation is even this: everybody have to check, whether a documentation is detailed enough, clear enough, easy formulated enough... This is a deep analysis of each sentence/figure in the works of others: the finetuning is to realize in operative levels. The result of such a deep analyses is a very excact recommendation: please, change/delete/add a word, a sentence, a graphical element, etc. We are searching for such deep-levelled finetuning-items entry-by-entry - day-by-days...


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The logical system plan involves several key considerations to ensure smooth and reliable automation. The primary focus is on data sourcing, automation tools, and optimization:

Data Source Relevance and Reliability:

For each automated parameter, it's essential to confirm that the data source (such as IDS logs or antivirus logs) is reliable and captures relevant information consistently. Without dependable data, automation could produce inaccurate or inconsistent results, which would undermine the automation process's purpose.
Tool Selection and Compatibility:

Selecting appropriate tools (e.g., vnStat, SNMP, antivirus APIs) that integrate smoothly with the system environment is crucial. Compatibility with the existing network setup and the ability to automate parameter collection without excessive manual intervention is a fundamental part of the system plan.
Automation Methods and Optimization:

The choice of automation methods (API calls, scheduled scripts) directly impacts efficiency. Optimizing these methods by reducing redundant checks and focusing on critical parameters can enhance performance, reduce computational load, and improve response times.
Error Handling and System Monitoring:

A well-designed logical system plan must include robust error handling and regular monitoring. For instance, if an API fails or a network issue disrupts data collection, the system should have mechanisms to retry or log errors, minimizing disruption and maintaining system reliability.
This logical system plan ensures that automated processes are accurate, efficient, and responsive to potential disruptions. Adopting these measures will help maintain data integrity and consistency across all automated parameters.


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When considering the automation experiments from the perspective of the physical system plan, several critical factors come into play:

Hardware Requirements and Capacity:

Since data collection and monitoring will run continuously, the physical system needs sufficient processing power and memory. If the system includes multiple tools like vnStat, SNMP, and antivirus APIs, we should ensure that it can handle simultaneous queries without significant lag or resource contention.
Network Infrastructure:

The physical system plan should account for a stable network connection to support real-time data transfer, especially if APIs or SNMP requests are made to external or remote devices. Network bandwidth must also be managed to prevent interference with other operational activities.
Storage Capacity and Data Retention:

Storing logs, historical data, and snapshots of automated parameters requires adequate storage. This is especially important for long-term analyses or audits. The storage system should be scalable and capable of retaining data for the duration specified by the project’s requirements.
Redundancy and Backup Systems:

Redundancy in hardware (e.g., dual network interfaces, backup servers) can help ensure continuity in case of hardware failures. A backup system for critical data is also necessary to protect against data loss.
Physical Security:

As automation often involves sensitive data (e.g., threat logs from IDS or antivirus software), it is essential to consider physical security measures to prevent unauthorized access to the hardware and stored data.
This physical system plan ensures that the automation experiments have a stable, secure, and scalable foundation to operate efficiently and handle the demands of continuous data monitoring and processing.


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From the perspective of future system operation, several factors need to be considered to ensure that the automated processes remain efficient, adaptable, and sustainable over time:

Scalability:

As data volumes and monitoring requirements grow, the system must be scalable. This could involve designing a modular architecture that allows for adding new data sources, APIs, or monitoring tools without disrupting existing operations.
Maintenance and Updates:

Automated systems often rely on APIs and software that may need regular updates for security and compatibility. A structured update schedule and maintenance plan will help keep the system functioning optimally and secure from vulnerabilities.
Error Handling and Monitoring:

Future operation will benefit from robust error handling. For example, if an API call fails or a data source becomes unavailable, the system should log the error and attempt to retry or switch to a backup. Implementing a monitoring dashboard can also help operators track system health and performance in real time.
Adaptability for Future Technologies:

Automation tools and methods are rapidly evolving, with emerging technologies like AI and machine learning becoming increasingly relevant. The system should be designed to accommodate future enhancements, enabling integration with newer tools and technologies as they become available.
Cost and Resource Efficiency:

To ensure sustainable operation, the system should balance performance with cost efficiency. This might involve optimizing data storage, minimizing redundant operations, and managing resource usage to reduce operating costs over time.
User and Security Management:

Over time, there may be changes in user roles or security policies. The system should include flexible user management options, such as role-based access control, to ensure that only authorized personnel have access to sensitive data or functions.
In summary, a forward-looking approach to system operation will make sure the automated processes remain reliable, secure, and adaptable to future changes in technology and operational needs.


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Creating high-quality source code instantly is tough because each automated system needs to pull data from different sources—like IDS logs or router stats—using various tools (like vnStat or SNMP). Each source requires specific handling and setup, so it’s not easy to just “generate” code that fits all these unique requirements right away.


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While the initial response provided a solid foundation for requirements analysis, it can be further refined by considering the following:

1. Data Requirements and Quality:

Data Sources: Clearly identify the primary and secondary data sources, including their formats and accessibility.
Data Quality: Define specific quality standards for data, such as accuracy, completeness, and consistency.
Data Privacy and Security: Establish strict data privacy and security protocols to protect sensitive information.
2. Functional Requirements:

Parameter Collection: Detail the specific parameters to be collected, including their frequency and format.
Data Processing: Define the data processing steps, including cleaning, transformation, and analysis techniques.
Visualization: Specify the desired visualizations, such as charts, graphs, and dashboards.
Alerting and Notification: Define the criteria for generating alerts and notifications.
3. Non-Functional Requirements:

Performance: Establish performance benchmarks for data processing and visualization.
Scalability: Ensure the system can handle increasing data volumes and user loads.
Security: Implement robust security measures to protect the system and data.
Usability: Design a user-friendly interface for both technical and non-technical users.
4. Testing and Validation:

Unit Testing: Test individual components of the system.
Integration Testing: Test the interaction between different components.
System Testing: Test the entire system to ensure it meets functional and non-functional requirements.
User Acceptance Testing (UAT): Involve end-users in testing to validate the system's usability and effectiveness.
By addressing these requirements in detail, the final thesis can ensure that the automated system meets the specific needs of the project and delivers accurate, reliable, and actionable insights.


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Creating qualitative source codes for the outlined Automation project requires careful planning, as immediate code generation isn't feasible due to the complexity and specificity of the parameters involved. Each section (Coco Analysis, Parameter Automation, and Future Automation) involves distinct processes—requiring precise tools, APIs, and procedural setups—that must align to ensure data accuracy, reproducibility, and optimization. Additionally, the variety of data sources, along with the need for integration and periodic scheduling, means that automation must be customized and rigorously tested before implementation, rather than relying on instant code solutions.


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To make the Automation project work smoothly, we need a solid physical setup to keep data collection and processing running without hiccups. Reliable hardware, like good network connections and enough server power, is key to handling all the automated queries and storing data efficiently. Plus, strong security (like firewalls and secure API connections) is a must to keep sensitive data—like intrusion logs and traffic stats—safe from any potential risks.


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To ensure the longevity and effectiveness of the Automation project, it's crucial to design a system that is both scalable and adaptable. As technology rapidly evolves and data volumes increase, the system should be able to handle growing demands without compromising performance.

A robust maintenance plan�is essential to keep the automated processes running smoothly and securely. Regular updates and optimizations will help maintain efficiency and prevent potential vulnerabilities.

By incorporating a feedback mechanism, we can continuously learn and improve the system. This allows us to adapt to new challenges, such as emerging cybersecurity threats, and take advantage of advancements in automation tools. This proactive approach will guarantee the system's long-term resilience and effectiveness.


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Creating high-quality source code based on the highlighted document poses several challenges:

Lack of Detailed Technical Specifications: The document provides a general framework (e.g., use of APIs, tools like vnStat or SNMP for tracking data, IDS like Snort) but lacks detailed requirements. Effective code requires explicit parameters, data structures, and performance metrics, which are not fully detailed here.

Ambiguity in Tool Configuration and Usage: While the document suggests various tools (e.g., antivirus APIs, network monitoring tools), it doesn’t provide specific setup instructions, such as configuration settings or example values for these tools. Without precise configurations, it’s difficult to automate or ensure the desired functionality of the code.

Limited Error Handling Guidelines: Quality code must include robust error-handling strategies, particularly when working with APIs or real-time monitoring systems. The document does not offer specific strategies for addressing common errors or exceptions in API interactions or network data retrieval.

Optimization Insights Are Generalized: The document mentions "Optimization ideas" but does not specify what optimizations are expected. To write optimized code, clear goals (e.g., memory usage reduction, execution speed) are essential, which aren’t detailed here.

Need for Consistent Terminology and Structure: There’s some variation in how tools and methods are described across different sections, making it difficult to understand if similar methods are intended to follow identical processes. This can lead to inconsistent code development.

Limited Testing and Validation Requirements: Effective code implementation relies on testing and validation protocols, especially for automation tasks. The document doesn’t specify testing criteria or validation procedures to ensure the code functions as intended under various conditions.


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Creating code from qualitative requirements is no easy feat. Language is notoriously tricky; AI can easily misinterpret words. Context is crucial, as AI needs to understand the big picture to generate accurate code. Coding, by its nature, involves a lot of rules and specific details that AI might miss. To improve this process, we need smarter AI that can grasp the nuances of human language, understand the broader context, and follow coding rules and best practices. For now, blending human expertise with AI capabilities is likely the best approach.


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Immediate code creation is hard because each task (like Coco Analysis) requires a unique logic to handle different data formats. Rushing risks errors in data flow and accuracy.


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The project’s physical setup needs compatible tools and stable connections. Without assessing these, writing code that works smoothly isn’t possible.


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To handle future updates, like adding new AI-driven security tools, the system needs adaptable code. Rushing now would make it rigid and hard to update later.


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Each data source has unique needs. Immediate coding may overlook some, leading to errors. Careful analysis ensures reliability across all sources.


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From a logical system plan perspective, creating qualitative source codes immediately is challenging due to the complexity of integrating various automation tools and methods. The document outlines multiple automation techniques, such as using APIs for antivirus logs, IDS logs, and network traffic monitoring. Each of these methods requires a deep understanding of the specific tools and their APIs, as well as the ability to parse and interpret the data they provide. This complexity makes it difficult to generate high-quality source code without thorough planning and testing.


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Instantly creating high-quality source code from the document’s guidelines is challenging because automation scripts aren't just about basic functionality. To be effective, code usually needs to be tailored to the specific setup such as different API requirements for antivirus logs or traffic stats and tested under actual conditions. High-quality scripts also require careful error handling and debugging to catch issues during real-world use, plus security precautions if sensitive data is involved (e.g. intrusion detection logs). Without these elements, the code may work on the surface but lack the depth needed for reliability, security, and adaptability.


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Physically, the system must handle diverse data sources and automation tools, which adds to the complexity. For instance, the document mentions using vnStat and SNMP for network traffic monitoring, each requiring different setup and integration processes. The physical infrastructure must support these tools, ensuring they can run efficiently and reliably. Additionally, the system must be robust enough to handle potential errors and inconsistencies in the data, which can further complicate the immediate creation of qualitative source codes.


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Looking at future system operation, the document highlights upcoming developments in automation and AI, as well as future ideas for cybersecurity. These advancements will likely introduce new tools and methods, requiring continuous updates and adaptations to the source code. The dynamic nature of technology means that what works today might not be sufficient tomorrow, necessitating a flexible and scalable approach to source code development. This ongoing evolution makes it challenging to create qualitative source codes that remain effective over time.


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From the POV of the logical system plan-> 1. Data Flow: We need a clear path for how data moves between different components, like how antivirus APIs send data to the monitoring system.
2. Modularity: The system should be built in separate parts (modules) to make it easier to update or fix issues without disrupting everything.
3. Error Handling: There must be processes in place for handling errors. If something goes wrong, the system should alert administrators and log the issue for review.
4. Data Processing: We need to define how incoming data will be categorized and logged, as well as how reports will be generated to ensure smooth operations.


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From a requirements analysis standpoint, the document emphasizes the need for a detailed understanding of the data sources, automation tools, and methods. Each requirement must be meticulously analyzed to ensure the source code meets the project’s objectives. This involves not only technical specifications but also considerations for optimization and future scalability. The thoroughness required in this analysis phase means that immediate creation of qualitative source codes is impractical without risking errors and inefficiencies.


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From the POV of the Physical system plan ->
1. Infrastructure: We need to outline the physical setup, including server specifications and network connections, to ensure the system can handle the expected data load.
2. Tool Integration: The physical system must connect various tools (like Windows Defender and SNMP). We need to ensure they work together smoothly.
3. Security: Protecting sensitive data is essential. We need security measures like encryption, firewalls, and access controls in place.
4. Testing Environment: It's important to have a separate space to test the automation processes before going live. This could be dedicated servers or virtual machines to simulate real conditions.


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Creating qualitative source codes immediately is challenging for me because the document outlines various automation techniques that require a deep understanding of specific tools and their APIs, such as antivirus logs, IDS logs, and network traffic monitoring. Handling diverse data sources and ensuring the physical infrastructure supports these tools efficiently adds to the complexity. Additionally, the dynamic nature of technology means that future developments in automation and AI will require continuous updates and adaptations to the source code. Finally, a detailed requirements analysis is crucial to ensure the source code meets the project's objectives, which involves meticulous planning and consideration for optimization and scalability. All these factors make it impractical to generate high-quality source codes instantly without risking errors and inefficiencies.


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From the POV of requirement analysis-> 1. Identify User Needs: We need to clearly understand what users expect from the automation system. This includes their requirements for data accuracy, speed of reporting, and ease of use.
2. Functional Requirements: Specify what the system must do, such as collecting data from antivirus logs, processing it in real time, and generating reports on detected threats.
3. Non-Functional Requirements: These include system performance, security measures, and scalability. For example, the system should handle large amounts of data without lag and ensure that sensitive information is encrypted.
4. Compliance and Standards: We must ensure the system adheres to industry standards and regulations, especially concerning data privacy and security, to avoid legal issues.
5. Stakeholder Involvement: Regular feedback from stakeholders (like mentors and users) is crucial during development. Their input will help refine requirements and ensure the system meets everyone’s needs.


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"Creating qualitative source codes for the outlined Automation project requires careful planning" <--each entry about qualitative source code instantly does need an example! Careful planning is starting there, where the first example is given... Planning can not be practicised on the level of generalized chaos-terms (magic of words). Planning is always deep context (e.g. parameter, configuration, data) dependent which parameter has a clear impact to a process (see IF/THEN).


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Creating high-quality source code requires specific knowledge of APIs, Python language and its usage, and reliable data sources of the chosen topic. Also every project is different, so each automation process requires special network setup and/or system configurations. At last successful code requires thorough testing to ensure it works as expected and doesn’t have bugs.


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Entry: Challenges in Creating High-Quality Source Code Immediately

One primary challenge is that developing source code directly from the current project documentation requires a complete understanding of both manual processes and automation needs, as shown in the document’s analysis (e.g., COCO analysis, API automation). However, some critical details, like specific error-handling logic and the exact data processing workflows, are not fully defined, making it hard to implement reliable and precise code immediately.

To bridge this gap, it’s essential to finalize the theoretical model, specify API functions, and standardize response handling. This refined plan will ensure the source code’s stability, security, and effectiveness.


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1. Evaluation of Usefulness for the Thesis:
- For each entry, consider if it directly contributes to the thesis’s focus, such as automation, monitoring processes, or cyber security risk management.
- For example: “This entry on COCO analysis is useful as it adds structured methods for risk assessment. However, adding examples or case-specific applications would enhance clarity for inclusion in the thesis.”

2. Finetuning Entries:
- Suggest additional details or improvements to strengthen each entry for the thesis. For instance, suggest rephrasing general statements into specific applications: “Including a step-by-step description of data handling in the COCO analysis would increase precision and relevancy.”

3. Permalink Integration:
- Each entry’s evaluation or finetuning can be linked to its respective entry to maintain coherence in the project and make it easy for readers to trace suggestions back to the original points discussed.


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To ensure the system's longevity, the scripts should be designed to accommodate future technological advancements. This means making them adaptable to new tools, APIs, and data sources. By doing so, we can reduce the need for frequent rewrites and keep the system up-to-date.


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All requirements should be well-documented and traceable, allowing each feature to be tracked from analysis through implementation. This makes it easier to manage changes, review progress, and ensure that all requirements are addressed in the final product.


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Creating qualitative source codes directly from theoretical documents, such as the highlighted automation chapters, remains a complex challenge due to several factors. Firstly, the abstraction level in the theoretical frameworks often lacks detailed, concrete specifications required for coding. While concepts such as automation tools, data sources, and optimization ideas are presented, translating these into functional code requires a nuanced understanding of both the theoretical principles and practical programming languages. Moreover, the integration of APIs, data handling methods, and specific automation techniques often necessitate additional context that theoretical documents may not provide. This gap can lead to misunderstandings or oversights during implementation. Hence, collaboration and iterative discussions are essential to bridge this divide, ensuring that all relevant details are captured and understood for effective code development.


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Creating qualitative source code requires a holistic understanding of how different parts of the system interact. Logical system planning facilitates this understanding by mapping out processes and data flows. However, automated code generation tools often lack this comprehensive perspective, leading to isolated code segments that do not function optimally within the larger system architecture.


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The physical system plan outlines the hardware and network resources necessary for system implementation. Automated code generation tools often assume that optimal infrastructure is available, which can lead to significant issues. For example, if a new application is generated to handle large data sets using advanced algorithms, it may rely on high-speed processors and extensive memory resources. If this application is deployed on outdated hardware—such as a server with limited RAM and an older CPU—performance issues will likely arise, such as slow processing times or system crashes. In a real-world scenario, consider a financial analysis tool that automates risk assessment using complex calculations; if it’s deployed on a system with insufficient computational power, the delays in processing can lead to missed market opportunities and could compromise decision-making.


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A significant challenge is the dynamic nature of requirements in software development. As projects progress, stakeholder needs may evolve based on user feedback or changing market conditions. Automated source code generation may struggle to keep pace with these changes. For instance, if a mobile application initially designed for a specific platform (like iOS) is later required to support additional platforms (such as Android), the automated code generation process might not adequately adapt to these new requirements without significant human intervention, leading to delays and inconsistencies.


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I believe it would strengthen their argument to include concrete examples. For instance, in the context of Coco Analysis, they could illustrate how a specific parameter—like the threshold for data accuracy—affects the overall process. They could mention using a specific analysis tool that outlines this parameter’s impact on project outcomes.


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Yes,checking the documentation carefully is essential to make sure it is detailed, clear, and straightforward. We should analyse each sentence and figure in detail to provide improved suggestions. This will help us to create specific recommendations, like adjusting a word, removing or adding a sentence, or modifying graphical elements.


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Using the highlighted document as the basis for this demo, we can see that the document describes specific and methodic parameters and settings to achieve its goal. As such, it would be imperative to follow each step precisely in order to recreate the environments and conditions for acceptable and useable results- this takes time and cannot be done immediately. While it would be possible to create results and data in a rapid manner, taking your time with following each condition, test, and theory laid out in the document would be necessary to acquire data that would be qualitative rather than rapid and immediate.


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Who and why is this person in a better situation based on these rel. long text-elements without any finetuning effects, exact recommendation (changes compared to the particular original versions)? Why it is worth having such kind of entries? What is the benefit of them? Who do have any benefits based on them? Experts have to work massive target-oriented. Each expertise brings immediately a better situation. Why is a new situation is better, it should always be trivial...


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The person in a better situation is an expert who utilizes detailed entries to guide their work. These entries are valuable because they offer targeted information, helping experts to deal with specific issues more effectively. The benefits include improved understanding, better problem-solving, and informed decision-making. Professionals, teams, and organizations all gain from this knowledge, as it enhances collaboration and operational efficiency.. A new situation is better because it uses improved knowledge and skills, making work more effective and efficient.


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First part explains what CoCo analysis is, why it’s needed here, and what we learned from it. It sets a solid base for the rest of the project, making sure our automation efforts match the system’s goals.After that process will cover how we automated important data, like antivirus logs and network traffic, using tools like APIs. Screenshots help clarify the setup, making it easy to see each tool’s role and how they work together.Last section looks ahead to future automation improvements, especially using AI, to make the system smarter and even more efficient over time.


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subject: Final Thesis Automation Coding
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My Final Thesis is in a phase where I am focusing on automation. As I am learning to code and use APIs, please feel free to give in your suggestions.

Also, if you have any questions regarding my project and thesis. Please write to me.



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This thread (https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62900) should be used for further communication...


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created: Friday, 25 October 2024, 9:45 AM
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Initial entry:�https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62900#p163163

Demo-documentation:�https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=155068

Tasks:�

Please, help the Author (project owner) to have a more finetuned system plan incl. system operation conception! (Estimated time for demo-interpretation: 60 minutes).

Please, create appropriate entries here and now incl. reactions to entries from other Students (incl. project owner)!��(Estimated time for the first entry: 30 minutes +��(Estimated time for further entries: at least 60 minutes).


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"Automate decision-making and reporting"
I use the COCO Y0 model in the analysis, can I consider it as an AI? After all, the COCO Y0 model is a similarity analysis algorithm. AI cannot analyze an object attribute matrix like COCO Y0. AI uses the basic methods (e.g. mode, median, correlation, standard deviation). I think that the application can run in real-time, because the analysis process can be repeated with the COCO Y0 model. When writing the program, I can write this cycle as continuous.


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A certain set of AI as a set of sets is capable of a similar analysis, as the COCO Y0 similarity analyzer. COCO Y0 e.g. It can be called with API, C-Url, so automation and repetition of this process is possible.


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System plan:My software plan focuses on identifying higher-risk areas for remote workers in Operational Technology (OT) environments. It does this by automatically pulling data from an Excel file and ranking different attributes based on user-defined directions. The COCO Y0 model then analyzes these rankings to estimate risk levels. By using C# to automate this process, the software quickly identifies and prioritizes higher risks, helping to improve OT security and align with the goals of my thesis on proactive cybersecurity.


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You’ve made a valid point! The COCO Y0 model isn’t exactly AI, but it does offer pattern analysis that’s different from basic statistical methods.I’d love to hear your thoughts on how we can run this analysis in real-time. What steps do you think we should take to make it continuous?


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What is AI? It is an important question which could be asked in the final exam. Each term should be defined and a definition should be massive, robust, it means: a definition should ensure a KNUTH-like aproximation (in order to create a classification algorithm for the question: Is a given solution (object) an AI or not? Helpful remark: What is the result of the classification, if a hybridized object will be created from an AI-component and from a not-AI-component?


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What is a real-time application in this context and in other contexts? Is the real-time-characteristic depending on context at all? (Helpful remark: see e.g. forecasting contexts)


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Who is responsible in case of this system plan for the hermeneutical module (it means: for the interpretation rules of the anti-discriminativeY0-Analyses)? Interpretation rules are rules being valid for each potential case in the combinatorial space and these rules do produce diagnostics, therapy-recommendations (incl. further analytical steps). The combinatorial space of the Y0-results is a list of all potential (charactirestic different) numeric constellations.


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I think I recognize a similarity in the topic of your thesis and my own. The difference in my paper is that in this case it extracts data from the Windows Performance Monitor. Objects such as CPU, memory, hard disk utilization. COCO Y0 analyzes this data and filters out risky elements.


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The system plans may have similarities (e.g. all LEGO-houses should be similar from different point of views = each house does use the same LEGO-kit). Therefore it is relevant to be cooperative and help each other through finetuning-experiments. On the other hand: the final exam expects that each Student is capable of interpreting the final thesis of the other Students from point of view a randomized choosen keyword/aspect (see name of a subject in the curriculum). If similarities could be identified in system plans, then it is also possible to cooperate on the field of automation: you can involve into your own solution source codes (or ideas) from other Students.


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Yes, its not exactly AI but have you considered the pros and cons. If coco-analysis is able to give results in your expected tasks. I think it should be further explored and perfected


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We does really need KNUTH-oriented (programmable) definition for the term of "AI"! In frame of a final exam, it is not acceptable to have statements, but this unfortunately without KNUTH-oriented finetuning!


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Dear Professor, Pitlik and Colleagues,
After reviewing the system plan documentation, I would like to offer several suggestions for refinement and clarification:

Concrete Examples and Specifications

The document frequently uses qualitative terms like "suspicious," "unusual," or "significant" without defining specific thresholds or metrics
Recommendation: Define precise numerical thresholds for each monitored parameter, for example:

CPU usage > 90% for > 30 seconds
Memory usage spike of > 50% within 5 seconds
Disk write rate > 80MB/s sustained for > 1 minute

Real-time Processing Architecture

The current plan mentions real-time monitoring but doesn't specify the technical implementation
Suggested additions:

Define polling interval (e.g., 2-second intervals as mentioned in analysis)
Specify buffer size for temporary data storage
Detail how the system handles concurrent monitoring of multiple parameters
Outline data processing pipeline from collection to analysis

Decision Making Logic

The COCO Y0 algorithm implementation needs more detailed specification:

Input parameters and their weights
Decision thresholds for triggering alerts
False positive mitigation strategy
Example decision tree with concrete scenarios

System Boundaries and Integration

Clarify exactly what the system will and won't handle:

Which security responses are automated vs. requiring user intervention
Integration points with Windows Performance Monitor API
Data persistence and historical analysis capabilities
Limitations of the monitoring scope

Performance Impact

Address the system's own resource consumption:

Expected CPU/memory footprint
Impact on system performance
Optimization strategies for minimal overhead

Benchmark Comparisons

As suggested in the comments, include:

Comparison with existing monitoring solutions
Expected performance improvements
Unique features justifying new development
Quantitative benefits over current solutions

Flow Chart Enhancement

The flow chart should be expanded to include:

Standard flow chart symbols and conventions
Decision points with specific conditions
Error handling paths
System state transitions
Integration points with external systems

AI Implementation Details

For the AI-based prioritization system:

Specify training data requirements
Define feature selection criteria
Detail model update frequency
Compare with non-AI alternatives
Justify AI usage with concrete benefits

Would you like me to elaborate on any of these points? I believe addressing these aspects would significantly strengthen the system plan and provide clearer guidance for implementation.
Best regards,


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Expanding the flowchart to illustrate the software's automated responses for better understanding. Providing examples in the Object Attribute Matrix (OAM) to show how specific values correspond to risk levels, and clarify the prioritization logic with a real-time use case. Justify the selection of the COCO Y0 model by comparing it briefly to alternative approaches, especially non-AI options. Maybe improving the user interface section by defining intuitive design elements that simplify user interaction might help. A detailed flowchart showing exactly how the software responds to issues would also make its functions clearer. Adding specific examples in the Object Attribute Matrix (OAM) would show how the software decides what’s risky, making it easier to see how it works. A brief explanation of why the COCO Y0 model was chosen would help readers see its advantages and a simple and user-friendly interface would make the software easy for others to use without extra training.


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automate the extraction process from Performance Monitor and track various metrics like maximum paging file utilization, disk drive write rate, disk drive utilization, disk drive read rate, free space, pre-recorded memory utilization, processor usage in user mode, and overall processor utilization


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Consider using more efficient data processing techniques, such as multithreading or asynchronous programming, to improve real-time data collection and analysis. This will enhance performance and responsiveness.


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Create a flowchart that shows the workflow from data retrieval to decision-making and reporting. This can cover stages such as data acquisition, processing, analysis, and output.
Anticipate potential issues such as API call failures, command errors, and network interruptions. Outline solutions, like retry mechanisms, error logging, or notifications, for faster debugging and improved system resilience.


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1. Objective:

Our goal is to create a plan that is clear and detailed, enabling every team member to understand it immediately and execute it without further questions.

2. Key Actions:

Clarifications and Corrections:
Review and refine the original text, flowcharts, or pseudocode to minimize any misunderstandings.

Clear Documentation:
Ensure that every quote and reference is relevant, accurately sourced, and justified to emphasize its importance in the project.

Defining Boundaries:
Provide only suggestions that directly enhance the clarity and feasibility of the plan.

3.Step-by-Step Tasks:

First Entry:
Start with a specific fine-tuning recommendation (approximately 30 minutes) based on the latest project documentation to identify immediate areas needing clarification.

Further Entries:
Continue with detailed observations and recommendations (around 60 minutes or more, as needed). Respond to contributions from others to ensure a unified understanding.

4.Essence:

Every contribution should aim to make the plan clear and actionable, so that everyone can work confidently without further questions.


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System Plan Overview

Objective & Key Use Cases
Define the Goal: Clearly state the purpose of the system.
Use Cases: List the primary use cases that reflect how the system will be used.

User Roles & Permissions
Identify user roles and specify access levels for each to ensure data privacy and security.

System Architecture
Overview: High-level system design (e.g., frontend, backend, database).
Tech Stack: Specify main technologies used (e.g., React, Node.js).

User Journey & Workflow
Map out a typical user journey, focusing on actions, triggers, and expected outcomes.

Security & Compliance
Outline key security features (e.g., encryption) and any legal requirements (e.g., GDPR).

Performance Metrics
Identify core performance indicators (e.g., response time, uptime) and acceptable benchmarks.

Testing & QA
Basic plan for unit, integration, and user testing to ensure reliability.

Deployment & Scalability
Outline deployment steps and scalability options for future growth.

Maintenance & Updates
Set a basic schedule for updates, covering bug fixes and new features.

Documentation & Training
Plan for documentation and basic training materials to support users.


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Standardized Entry: System Operation Conception:

System Monitoring Goals
The project aims to develop a proactive monitoring and analysis system that leverages Windows Performance Monitor to continuously track CPU, memory, and disk utilization in real-time. The goal is to automate data collection, assess system health, and identify potential risks.

Data Collection & Analysis
Performance metrics such as paging file usage, disk I/O rates, and CPU load will be recorded and analyzed with COCO Y0 for real-time anomaly detection, enhancing response speed to potential threats.

Automation & Alerts
Implement automated alerts for unusual activity, especially for USB device connections and unexpected performance spikes. This ensures that administrators can act promptly when risks are detected.

Scalability & Maintenance
The system should be easily scalable, with clear documentation to support ongoing maintenance and updates.

2. Non-Standardized Response Example:

Potential issues could arise from manually sorting data or if the system only operates on-demand. Lack of automated alerts may delay responses to threats. Additional alternative methods like advanced threat-detection algorithms or enhanced alert customization might be valuable.


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To enhance the system plan, clearly define each component, input, and output, using detailed workflows like flowcharts or pseudocode to prevent misunderstandings. Analyze the demo to identify unclear steps and refine them for practical usability, adding decision rules where needed. When contributing entries, provide a concise summary and respond with targeted clarifications that align with project goals, ensuring feedback is actionable. The final documentation should be thorough enough for others to understand and implement without further questions, with exact citations and justifications supporting each methodological choice.


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Smart Tourist Assistant app.
Modular System Design: Since this app integrates multiple AI components—like machine learning for itinerary personalization and NLP for translations—I’m considering a modular design for scalability and maintainability. I’d love to hear any suggestions on designing a modular system, especially around managing dependencies between modules to keep operations seamless.

User Data Privacy (GDPR Compliance): Another key part of the system is securing user data, especially given the real-time location and preferences involved. Any advice on handling this in a scalable way?


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In my software, I am responsible for the hermeneutical module, which means I will create the interpretation rules for the anti-discriminatory Y0-Analyses. My supervisors you and Proff Lแszl๓ Pitlik will help me modify these rules. I will also look at my analysis results and make changes to the rules as needed to meet my project goals.


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Sorry everyone for not responding until now, but I was on vacation.
I have read through the suggestions and thank you very much for the useful advice.
I am correcting and expanding my flowchart.
I need to review a few concepts in order to move forward. I also have to think through and study the API solution.
I will apply soon. :)


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Automate the entire data extraction process from Performance Monitor to eliminate manual work and ensure real-time data updates. Use scripts or APIs compatible with Windows for continuous, automatic monitoring.
Ensure data logs are updated in short intervals (e.g., every 2 seconds) for accurate, live risk assessment.Utilize the COCO Y0 model not just for periodic assessments but integrate it into a real-time framework. This approach can instantly flag high-risk trends in resource usage, making the system more proactive in threat detection.
Define an operational workflow for incident detection and response, including specific actions when anomalies are found. This can involve logging threats, immediate USB port disconnection, or user notifications with clear instructions.Design the software with future expansion in mind, allowing for easy addition of features like AI-based threat detection and more advanced anomaly detection algorithms.Create an intuitive user interface displaying key metrics and alerts. Notifications should provide relevant details like the process name, resource impact, and recommended actions, helping users respond quickly and effectively.This will be very effective and continuous.


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Chapter 5 in this document covers "System Modeling" in software engineering, focusing on creating abstract representations of systems to understand their functionality and communicate this to stakeholders. The chapter highlights multiple perspectives for modeling:

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Context Models illustrate a system's operational environment, defining boundaries and external interactions. They assist in understanding the system’s role within a larger framework.

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Interaction Models use diagrams (e.g., use case and sequence diagrams) to show interactions between the system and users or other systems. This helps in identifying and clarifying user requirements and potential communication issues.

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Structural Models focus on the architecture and data structures within the system. Class diagrams are used extensively to show relationships and dependencies between objects.

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Behavioral Models describe how systems respond dynamically to events and data inputs. They are represented by activity diagrams (data processing) and state diagrams (event responses).

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Model-Driven Engineering (MDE) aims to develop software by creating high-level models that can be transformed into code, reducing dependency on programming languages. MDE includes various types of models, like Computation Independent Models (CIM), Platform Independent Models (PIM), and Platform Specific Models (PSM). The document discusses Model-Driven Architecture (MDA) and Executable UML (xUML) as ways to implement MDE principles.

These models serve multiple functions, including facilitating discussion, documenting systems, and providing a blueprint for code generation, ultimately supporting various stages of software development from requirements gathering to implementation.



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3 follup questions
How can context modeling be adapted to highlight and address cybersecurity threats in a system's operational environment?

What are the best practices for incorporating secure interaction modeling within systems that handle sensitive or critical data?

How does model-driven engineering (MDE) integrate security measures at different model levels, and what are the challenges in automating secure code generation?


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Operative tasks: "Context Models illustrate a system's operational environment, defining boundaries and external interactions."<--please, create a figure/picture/graphical solution about this complexity for the PARTICULAR project and please, finetune this graphical unit in frame of this Moodle-course! (creating the first version of a figure = ca. 30 minutes, finetuning of the versions = min. 15 minutes for each finetuning effect... Special challenge: online/remote communication about pictures with words (c.f. magic of words), is a real challenge - worth experimenting!


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Such kind of questions (how adapting, best practices, how integrating) should be fist of all discussed e.g. with ChatGPT AND the outputs from ChatGPT should be finetuned here and now in Moodle (c.f. simulation of final exam situations)...


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How can context modeling be adapted to highlight and address cybersecurity threats in a system's operational environment?

Adapting Context Modeling for Cybersecurity:

- Dynamic Context Awareness: Context modeling can be enhanced by incorporating real-time data from various sources, such as network traffic, user behavior, and system logs. This allows the model to adapt dynamically to changes in the operational environment and detect anomalies indicative of cyber threats.

- Threat Intelligence Integration: Integrating threat intelligence feeds into context models helps identify known threats and vulnerabilities relevant to the system's environment. This contextual information can assist in predicting potential attack vectors and adapting system defenses accordingly.

- Behavioral Analysis: By modeling typical user and system behaviors, deviations from the norm can be flagged as potential security threats. Machine learning techniques can analyze historical data to refine behavior profiles and improve detection accuracy.

- Risk Assessment Models: Context modeling can include risk assessment components that evaluate the potential impact and likelihood of various threats. By quantifying risks, organizations can prioritize security measures based on the context of specific operational environments.

- Feedback Loops: Implementing feedback loops where the system learns from past incidents can enhance context models. This allows for continuous improvement in threat detection and response strategies.


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What are the best practices for incorporating secure interaction modeling within systems that handle sensitive or critical data?

Best Practices for Secure Interaction Modeling:

- Access Control Policies: Implement role-based access control (RBAC) or attribute-based access control (ABAC) to ensure that only authorized users can access sensitive data. Clearly define user roles and permissions to minimize the risk of unauthorized access.

- Data Encryption: Ensure that data in transit and at rest is encrypted. Use strong encryption standards to protect sensitive information during interactions between systems, applications, and users.

- Secure APIs and Protocols: Design secure APIs and communication protocols that incorporate authentication and integrity checks. Ensure that data exchanged between components is validated and sanitized to prevent injection attacks.

- User Authentication and Authorization: Implement strong authentication mechanisms, such as multi-factor authentication (MFA), to verify user identities. Regularly review and update authentication processes to address emerging threats.

- Threat Modeling and Risk Assessment: Conduct regular threat modeling exercises to identify potential vulnerabilities in interaction points. Assess risks associated with these interactions and implement appropriate mitigations.

- Audit Trails and Monitoring: Maintain comprehensive logs of user interactions and system events. Implement monitoring solutions to detect unusual activities that may indicate security breaches or policy violations.


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How does model-driven engineering (MDE) integrate security measures at different model levels, and what are the challenges in automating secure code generation?

Integration of Security Measures in MDE:

- Security Requirements at the Requirements Level: MDE allows for the early specification of security requirements within models. Security aspects can be captured alongside functional requirements, ensuring that security considerations are integrated from the beginning of the development process.

- Architecture-Level Security: At the architectural level, security patterns can be modeled to ensure that security controls are part of the system's design. This includes defining secure communication channels, access controls, and other architectural safeguards.

- Design-Level Security: MDE can facilitate the incorporation of security measures at the design level, such as specifying secure interaction protocols and data handling processes. Models can be enriched with security-related elements that guide implementation.

- Code Generation with Security in Mind: MDE supports the generation of code from models, and security constraints can be embedded into the code generation process. Security annotations in models can drive the generation of secure code.

Challenges in Automating Secure Code Generation:

- Complexity of Security Policies: Security requirements can be complex and context-dependent, making it challenging to automate their implementation accurately. Capturing all necessary security controls in models can be difficult.

- Diversity of Security Standards: Different systems may need to adhere to various security standards and regulations (e.g., GDPR, HIPAA). Automating code generation to comply with multiple standards requires a flexible and adaptable model.

- Integration of Security Testing: Automating security testing within the MDE pipeline is essential to ensure that generated code adheres to security requirements. However, developing effective automated security testing tools that can work seamlessly with MDE is a significant challenge.

- Evolving Threat Landscape: The constantly changing nature of cybersecurity threats requires that security measures in MDE be regularly updated. Automating this process while ensuring compliance with the latest security practices poses ongoing challenges.

- Skill Gaps and Expertise: The successful implementation of MDE with security measures requires expertise in both modeling and cybersecurity. The lack of skilled professionals in these areas can hinder the effective integration of security into the development process.

In summary, adapting context modeling to address cybersecurity threats, implementing secure interaction modeling best practices, and integrating security into MDE are all critical areas that organizations must focus on to enhance their cybersecurity posture. Each approach presents unique challenges but also opportunities for improving the security of systems that handle sensitive or critical data.


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1. Context Modeling for Cybersecurity: To adapt context modeling for cybersecurity, you can include specific elements like trust zones, data flows, and potential threat actors. This helps you spot vulnerabilities early and figure out where security controls should be placed.

2. Secure Interaction Modeling: When modeling interactions for secure systems, focus on things like access roles, authentication, and encrypted data flows. Threat modeling here is key—it helps you anticipate security issues and address them, especially when dealing with sensitive data.

3. MDE and Security: MDE weaves in security at different model layers, from high-level requirements to platform-specific protections. However, generating secure code automatically is tough because security threats change constantly, and it takes careful testing to ensure everything works across platforms.


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Please, create context-dependent graphical units for each relevant layer as examples in order to have chance to fine tune them in a collaborative way!


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1.How can context modeling be adapted to highlight and address cybersecurity threats in a system's operational environment?

Adapting context modeling to address cybersecurity threats involves integrating security-focused elements to identify potential vulnerabilities and access points in the system's operational environment. One approach is to extend context models with additional layers that detail trusted and untrusted boundaries, identify potential attack vectors, and specify security roles for each external interaction. This adaptation can be achieved by:

Defining Threat Boundaries: Clearly mark boundaries where external interactions pose security risks, such as between user access points and critical system resources.
Adding Threat Agents and Trust Levels: Include representations of potential threat agents and assign trust levels to various users or external systems to gauge where higher scrutiny is needed.
Mapping Data Sensitivity: Highlight areas of the system that handle sensitive or confidential data, as these are potential targets for cyber attacks.
Integrating Security Controls: Show security controls or mitigations, such as firewalls, access controls, and encryption, as part of the model to demonstrate how the system defends against external threats.
This approach ensures that stakeholders can visualize where security risks exist and how the system is structured to mitigate them, providing a clear picture of the cybersecurity landscape within the operational environment.

2.What are the best practices for incorporating secure interaction modeling within systems that handle sensitive or critical data?

Secure interaction modeling in systems dealing with sensitive data requires a focus on protecting data flows, authentication, and authorization processes. Best practices include:

Use of Secure Communication Protocols: Ensure that all interaction models, such as sequence diagrams, incorporate secure communication protocols (e.g., HTTPS, TLS) to protect data transmission.
User Authentication and Role-Based Access Control (RBAC): Define user roles clearly in use case diagrams and specify secure access control mechanisms, ensuring that only authorized roles have access to critical data.
Input Validation and Sanitization: Model interactions that involve data input with checks for input validation and sanitization to prevent injection attacks and other malicious inputs.
Auditing and Logging Points: Indicate key points within interaction models for logging and monitoring user activities, which can help in detecting suspicious behavior or breaches.
Data Masking and Encryption: Represent how sensitive data is encrypted or masked during interactions to reduce exposure risks, especially in systems where data is exchanged between trusted and untrusted boundaries.
Incorporating these elements ensures that interaction models not only define functionality but also reinforce security measures critical to protecting sensitive information.

3.How does model-driven engineering (MDE) integrate security measures at different model levels, and what are the challenges in automating secure code generation?

In Model-Driven Engineering, integrating security at different model levels involves embedding security requirements across each model abstraction, from high-level conceptual models to platform-specific implementations:

Computation Independent Models (CIM): CIMs can capture high-level security goals and compliance requirements without tying them to specific technologies. These models specify the “what” rather than the “how,” providing a secure foundation.
Platform Independent Models (PIM): PIMs detail the security architecture, including access controls, data protection methods, and encryption. This level allows for the standardization of security measures across various platforms by specifying secure design patterns.
Platform Specific Models (PSM): At the PSM level, models integrate security elements tied to particular platforms, such as specific APIs for encryption, authentication libraries, or data integrity mechanisms. This level ensures that security requirements from higher models are translated into platform-compatible security controls.
Challenges in automating secure code generation include:

Context-Specific Security Needs: Security requirements often depend on the context and may vary widely, making it difficult to automate generalized secure code.
Complexity in Mapping Models to Code: Translating security models to executable code involves complex mappings, especially when ensuring that security protocols are adhered to across multiple platforms and languages.
Keeping Up with Evolving Threats: Automated secure code generation struggles to keep pace with evolving security threats, as security requirements might change faster than model-to-code transformations can adapt.


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"specific elements like trust zones, data flows, and potential threat actors" <--it is good, that the specific elements (as a generalized caos-term) immediately could be explaind through examples (see "like"), but the terms after "like" are unfortunately also generalized terms (see trust zones, data flows, and potential threat actors). Please, create examples on the transaction level, it means: good examples are filtered log-data (=facts) and not collective terms for a lot of factual data...


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1. Context modeling can be adapted by including threat actors, attack vectors, and security boundaries. Highlight potential vulnerabilities and interactions with external systems that could be exploited.
2. Use secure communication protocols, ensure data encryption, validate inputs, and include access control measures. Regularly update and review use case and sequence diagrams to reflect current security practices.
3. MDE integrates security by embedding security requirements in CIM, PIM, and PSM models. Challenges include ensuring the completeness of security requirements, maintaining model consistency, and accurately translating models into secure code.


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If my dear collegues can help with the following questions. Its to get an understanding for my thesis as it will help stimulate a real-life like situation

1. If you have ever and if yes, How many times do you change your wife password ?

2. Do you use an cyber security software or rely on windows protect ?

3. Do you have any VPN access, and if yes, how often do you use it ?

4. Do you update your OS regularly or delay the update, even when its available ?

5. Do you understand standard and basic anti-phishing and data protection protocols and do you make sure that phishing emails etc. are deleted and reported ?

Thanks for your kind help



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1. I do not change my wifi password.
2. I only use Windows Protection, because I am not sure about other defenders.
3. No.
4. Yes, If there is OS update available, i always updates my OS.
5. I always delete phishing mails.


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This kind of data collection does need a questionnaire! :-) Here in Moodle it is FORBIDDEN to handle data having e.g. GDPR-concerns...


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1. I don't change my wifi password.
2. I use McAfee, because Windows protect is not the strongest.
3. I don't have VPN access, and I never used it.
4. If there is an update, I will update it immediately.
5. I always delete such e-mails or e.g. sms, or block the given address from which the letter came.


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Thank you for mentioning about the GDPR, I am reading more about it and am making sure that my final thesis and data collection program corresponds to it.


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1.I've changed it 2 3 times
2.No
3.I use vpn Proxy sometimes
4.I do update my OS with no delay
5.I do not delete most phishing emails,it stays in scamm folder


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1. Yes, when I changed the wifi providers.
2. I use windows firewalls, Its enough protection for me.
3. I don't have VPN access, and I never used it.
4. Yes when there is an update I always, update it
5. I do not delete most phishing emails, since its goes into the scam folder anyways


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Hello Aadi Rajesh,
Here are my answers based on my own experiences:

1. Changing passwords: I change my own passwords regularly, though I've rarely had to change them for others. When I do, it’s usually every 6-12 months.

2. Cybersecurity software: I rely mostly on Windows Defender, but I occasionally use other antivirus tools to double-check for threats e.g. McAfee.

3. VPN usage: I use a VPN not that too much but occasionally. I connect to public Wi-Fi and sometimes at home. Typically, a few times a week.

4. OS updates: I try to keep my system updated as soon as updates are available, as it seems safer.

5. Anti-phishing awareness: I keep up with basic anti-phishing practices and am cautious with unfamiliar emails. Because it has some features not familiar with my using things. Usually delete and not open it.

Hope this helps with your thesis :)


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1.I change my wifi password with different interval of time to make sure my wifi won't get hack.
2.I mostly rely on window protection but using cyber security software is more better and secure option.
3.NO ,because it's not secure.
4:I mostly delay update.because ,OS updates are to much time consuming.
5.I prefer not to open phishing and unknown emails.


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Regarding point no.4 , do we see anz lags or reduced speed if you do not update the OS? Also, if i can please ask, do you use chrome OS or Mac or Windows or Linux?


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1. I do not usually change my wi-fi password unless there is a need for it
2. I rely on Windows
3.no VPN access
4. I do update it
4. I leave this messages


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1. Yes ,1 time. Because the first password is too long.
2. I do Avast antivirus. Windows protect is not that strong.
3. Yes i have. I use it maybe once in a month.
4. When its available i update it.
5. I delete them even if its in the scam folder. And block the sender or adress.


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Please, send your adequate answers for each question (I.a/b, II.a/b, III.a/b: 2 numbers, 1 list, 3 texts) in a separate way! You may write free/adequate professional comments to the answers of each other...� Please, use always permalinks/URLs for defining the relationships to the thread-elements (demo0): see examples below (e.g. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163493)!



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Task/Question I.a (concerning the demo0-thread): What is the number of the ideal/standardized anwers? (We do need just a single number from each Student in a separate entry): ...
Task/Question I.b (concerning the demo0-thread): Please, write your argumentation (for the question: WHY do you think exactly so?) concerning the number in a separate entry as reply for your own guessed number before: ...


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WHY: I identified this number as the highest exact number in the thread "demo0"... (see:�https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967 and�https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163421)


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Task/Question II.a (concerning the demo0-thread): What is the number of the maximal elements of the ideal/standardized anwer-string? (We do need just a single number from each Student in a separate entry): ...
Task/Question II.b (concerning the demo0-thread): Please, write your argumentation (for the question: WHY do you think exactly so?) concerning the maximal number of the potential ideal answers (with the same ideal length guessed and prooved before) in a separate entry as reply for your own guessed number before: ...


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WHY: potential number of the affected years = 4 (2024;2025;2026;2027) * potential number of the affected months (12: Jan;...;Dec), therefore: 4*12=48 (elements are maximal in the combinatorial space)


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Help: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997
Help: the above-mentioned guessed number and the argumentation behind it are only demo-answers for clarifying the task-oriented expectations above...
Help: Please, read all entries in the thread about the annex of demo0!
Estimated time: for one single guess and for the deep/solid argumentation/explanation concerning this guessed number: 30 minutes


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Task/Question III.a (concerning the demo0-thread): Please, list ALL of the potential elements of the ideal/standardized anwer-strings with the same (ideal) length derived by you in case of the I.a / II.a question/task? (We do need ALL strings: the number of these elements has been guessed by you in case of question/task II.a, and the number of the ideal length is your answer for question/task I.a <--please, do not forget: each task has a massive relationship to each other:-): ...
Task/Question III.b (concerning the demo0-thread): Please, write free about your potential problems concerning the maximal number of the potential ideal answers (with the same ideal length guessed and prooved before) and/or concerning the number of ideal length in a separate entry as reply for your own guessed numbers (I.a, I.b) before: ...


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Demo-answer (a simulated list with potential 48 elements): 1. 2024-JAN; 2....;...; 47....; 48. 2027-DEC


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Problem A: 2024-JAN and 2027-DEC (see https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163421), have a length of strings = 8 and not 256 (see: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163421) <--self-check = :-(
Problem B: Why should be e.g. the element of "2024-JAN" accepted as a valid answer, if the demo0-annex has a date of "2024-SEP"? <--self-check = :-(
...


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I believe the length of the standardized answer is 8 because, in the context of demo0, we are required to submit only the date for the final thesis submission deadline. The options provided include "2024 Nov," "2025 Apr," "2025 Nov," "2026 Apr," and "2026 Nov."

The standardized answer must follow a specific format, which in our case is "year Month" (e.g., "2024 Nov"). Therefore, the length of this standardized format is indeed 8 characters.

To confirm this, I used the following C# code:
using System;
string answer = "2024 Nov"; // Example of a standardized answer
int length = answer.Length;
Console.WriteLine(length);


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ii.b) The maximal elements represent the unique entries formatted as "YYYY Month."
The entries—2024 Nov,
2025 Apr,
2025 Nov,
2026 Apr,
2026 Nov—are distinct and meet the criteria for ideal answers. There are no duplicates among them, leading to a total of 5 unique combinations. This count reflects the maximal potential ideal answers within the specified format


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iii.a) Potential Elements of the Ideal/Standardized Answer-Strings: Based on the previous analysis and the ideal length of 8 characters (derived from Task II.a), the potential elements of the ideal answer-strings with the same length are:

2024 Nov
2025 Apr
2025 Nov
2026 Apr
2026 Nov


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iii.b) In considering the maximal number of potential ideal answers with the ideal length derived in previous tasks, I encountered challenges regarding consistency, particularly when including both names and dates in the standardized response format. This response explores the impact of varying name lengths on maintaining a standardized answer format and potential implications for consistency.
Variability in Name Lengths: Unlike dates, which can be uniformly formatted (e.g., "YYYY-MMM"), names vary significantly in length. Some names are short, like "Kamilla," while others, like "Zandangarav," are much longer. This variation disrupts the ability to maintain a consistent, ideal length, as required by standardization. For example, "2024-Nov, Kamilla" is much shorter than "2024-Nov, Zandangarav," meaning that each entry could differ widely in length, which conflicts with the standardized format derived in Task Ia.

Implications for Consistency: Including names alongside dates without controlling for length variations challenges the standardization goal of predictable, fixed-length responses. Standardized answers should ideally be concise and consistent to allow for automated processing and ease of reading. However, varying name lengths reduce predictability and may create confusion for recipients or systems that rely on fixed-length formats.


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I.a: Ideal Answer Number: 300

Based on the demo0 thread and my interpretation of ideal response lengths, I believe the ideal answer length is 300 characters. This length allows responses to be detailed enough to fully address the question while remaining concise.

https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163493


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Task I.b

I selected 300 characters as the ideal length because it balances depth and conciseness, allowing enough space to answer questions thoroughly without being excessive. In IT system design, benchmarks and limitations are often set to ensure efficient operation while providing adequate functionality. Similarly, a 300-character limit can offer enough detail to convey complex points clearly while ensuring responses remain straightforward and easy to read.

https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163493


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The ideal lenght of the answer is exactly 37 characters because the document/email precisely instructed the answer should be the following:
thesis submission deadline = <…see options below…> 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later

https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997

Base, The fixed part of the answer (thesis submission deadline = ) is 29 characters -> including spaces.
Option length e.g. (2024 Nov) is 8 characters -> including space.

derivation rule: base + option

https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163521


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I.B) The ideal response structure requires that we only use one of the six specified options for . This means that there are exactly six distinct ways to form an answer using each option once. Given that each response is standardized and follows the exact same format, no additional variations are possible. Therefore, we conclude that the number of ideal/standardized answers is exactly 6.


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II.B) In accordance to demo0, the "ideal/standardized answer-string" has a fixed structure: it must start with "thesis submission deadline =" and end with exactly one of the six specified options (2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, or other/later). Since there are exactly six distinct options available, the total number of potential ideal answers that adhere to this structure is also precisely 6. Each unique choice results in one of the six maximum, ideal answers.

Since there are exactly six distinct options available, the total number of potential ideal answers that adhere to this structure is also precisely 6. Each unique choice results in one of the six maximal, ideal answers


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III.A) The ideal answer strings are derived from the requirement that submission deadlines start from 2024-SEP as specified in the demo0-annex. Therefore, dates prior to this, such as "2024-JAN", are excluded from consideration. Each entry follows the established format: thesis submission deadline = , ensuring consistency across all answers.


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III.B) The primary concerns addressed include ensuring that all entries are valid according to the specified timeframe in the demo0-annex. This means that any dates prior to 2024-SEP are not valid for inclusion, as including invalid dates could misrepresent the submission timeline and lead to confusion. Furthermore, the expected length for responses is confirmed to be 8 characters when formatted as "YYYY-MMM", allowing each response to remain precise and within the formatting criteria. Maintaining a consistent format for all responses enhances clarity and adherence to the instructions provided in the demo0, which is critical for formal submissions or evaluations. Overall, the chosen standardized answer strings are valid and reflect a careful consideration of the guidelines


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WHY: I checked the ideal length of the answer (thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr) with LEN() = "HOSSZ" function in excel, in the email/document specifically stated that the following response was required thesis submission deadline = <…see options below…> 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later.
(see: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997
and https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163425)


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We got 6 options.
Why 6? Because these represent a thought-out system:

2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later.


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II.B)"thesis submission deadline"
thesis= 6, space= 1, submission= 10, space= 1, deadline= 8
So: 6 + 1 + 10 + 1 + 8 = 26 characters
Then:
space= 1 , "=" = 1 , space= 1
longest date option "2026 Nov" (8) or "other/later" (11)
"Thesis submission deadline = other/later" = 26+1+1+1+11= 40


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2.b) ideal length of answer is 6 because there is 6 possible option in instructed email:
thesis submission deadline = <…see options below…> 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/pluginfile.php/440055/mod_resource/content/1/demo0.pdf


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II.A) "thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = other/later" (40)
I.A) 2024 Nov
2025 Apr
2025 Nov
2026 Apr
2026 Nov
other/later


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2.b) total number of potential answer is 6 according to demo0:
thesis submission deadline = <…see options below…> 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/pluginfile.php/440055/mod_resource/content/1/demo0.pdf


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WHY: Accuracy and clarity: By writing precisely and clearly, I help the reader understand the main points without unnecessary information or repetition. This means that precise wording can reduce the required character count while keeping the message complete and appropriate.

I chose 96 because I don't just answer by writing a year and a month, I write a detailed, short but still concise email in which I say thank you, write down the answer to the given question and how I try to do it as well as possible the thesis.


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WHY: I chose 100 because this is the maximum number in which I can write a concise and normal answer, I think more than 100 would be exaggeration, if I write exactly 100, it includes everything.
If you think about it, if someone really writes a decent, nice email, it's always under 100 words, but not just a few. It depends on what kind of email it is.


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WHY: The email/document specifies that the response should be formatted as follows: "thesis submission deadline = ," with the options being 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, or other/later

https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997

The fixed text "thesis submission deadline = " is 29 characters, and adding an 8-character option (e.g., "2026 Apr") totals exactly 37 characters, as required. This length was verified using Excel’s LEN() (or HOSSZ) function to ensure precision.
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163425


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III.a:
1st line: In this line, we simply greet the teacher. (about 10 words)
2nd line: Here, we specify the date we have chosen and provide a reason for it. (about 20-30 words)
3rd line: This is the line where we reassure the teacher as to why we chose this particular date. (about 30-40 words)
4th line: We thank the teacher in advance for their future support and show our commitment to complete the work. (about 5-10 words)
5th line: Farewell. (about 5 words)
In all: 70-100 words
There are plenty of examples, but the amount of words can only be so much. It depends on the person, what and how much they write.


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WHY: I assume that this question is about the number of the ideal/standardized "ANSWERS" (LENGTH NOT MENTIONED). According to the "demo0" file, there are 6 given ANSWERS. In demo0, Mentor Laci gave 6 optional thesis submission deadlines and counted them as answers.
Option 1. 2024 Nov. (counted as Answer number 1)
Option 2. 2025 Apr. (counted as Answer number 2)
Option 3. 2025 Nov. (counted as Answer number 3)
Option 4. 2026 Apr. (counted as Answer number 4)
Option 5. 2026 Nov. (counted as Answer number 5)
Option 6. Other/Later. (counted as Answer number 6).

IF number of LENGTHS are considered, my answer could be 37.

WHY: From my point of view, there are 37 characters in the ideal/standardized answer (ONLY IF the Subject field of email is considered). According to the "demo0", it mentioned that the subject field is has to prepared (Thesis Submission Deadline = <...See options below...> and the FULL ideal/standardized answer is prepared like "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Apr" (37 characters and includes space and equal sign).

IF the body content of email is considered an answer, the ideal/standardized answer length could be changed. In demo0, it mentioned that "you MUST contain clear data with full names and NEPTUN codes". There are many types of limits on names. For example, in Passport Systems of some countries limit names to around 39 characters. On the other hand, in Social Media Platforms limit names to around 50 characters. Besides, in Databases, many databases and forms might limit names to 255 characters which is a common maximum length for text fields, and it could be more confusing and complicated.

(See: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/pluginfile.php/440055/mod_resource/content/1/demo0.pdf
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163453)


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III.b:
If someone goes overboard, they might end up with more than 100 words, even when it’s unnecessary. A longer name or adding extra, unneeded details can also push the count above 100. The word count may also vary depending on the month chosen, as months differ in letter count.


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III.a 2024: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2025: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2026: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2027: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
48 element (https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163488)
III.b One potential issue with maintaining a maximal number of 48 elements for the ideal standardized answers is ensuring clarity and relevance in each response. With each element tied to specific years and months, responses may risk becoming redundant or overly segmented if additional years or specific context shifts are introduced. Another challenge is maintaining the ideal length of 256 words(https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163488) across all entries. Some entries may require less detail, while others might exceed the ideal length to capture necessary context, especially if explaining variations across years.


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WHY: if ideal/standardized means length:�
Thesis submission deadline = 2024 Apr = 37
 (see: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163453)


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II.b.
I chose 5 elements as the ideal structure because it provides a balanced way to cover an answer comprehensively while keeping it organized. This number allows for sections such as an introduction, key points, and a conclusion, fitting well within the 256-character (or the previously defined) limit. Breaking down responses into five core segments also aligns with best practices in structured communication, where clarity and focus are maintained by limiting the number of main points.


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III.a.
1. Introduction – Brief overview
2. Key Point 1 – Primary argument or idea
3. Key Point 2 – Supporting idea or evidence
4. Key Point 3 – Additional point or reasoning
5. Conclusion – Summary or final thought


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III.b.
One potential issue is balancing the number of elements (5) with the 256-character limit. While 256 characters support concise responses, some topics may require more detail to fully explain each point, which could result in either oversimplifying or excluding important information. Another challenge is that, with this limit, each element needs to be extremely concise, which could make it difficult to achieve clarity, especially in more complex topics. Lastly, maintaining a standardized length might not allow enough flexibility to adapt answers to different question complexities, which could reduce the effectiveness of the response.


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Task I.b: I chose 250 words as the ideal length based on a balance between conciseness and completeness, which aligns with standardized communication goals. Derivation Rule: The answer should be concise enough to be evaluated efficiently but detailed enough to cover key points. A 250-word length achieves this by providing a structured response that meets expectations without unnecessary information. Additionally, this length is suitable for processing in an automated system, as outlined in the report.


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I.b.
WHY: For example (thesis submission deadline = < 2024 Nov>) lenght is 40
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163493


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WHY: This number reflects the potential standardized categories required to answer the question in a structured format fully. Given 4 years (e.g., 2024, 2025, 2026,2027 ) with 5 points each (4 years * 5 points = 20), this allows a thorough answer that aligns with the ideal length without unnecessary expansion. Thus, 20 elements is a reasonable maximum for covering all essential points.


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WHY: I assume that this question is about the number of the maximal ELEMENTS of the ideal/standardized ANSWERS-string and in the task II.b "... concerning the maximal number of the potential ideal ANSWERS (with the same ideal length guessed and proved before) ...". From my point of view, according to the demo0, the maximal ELEMENTS are (IF LENGTH IS NOT CONSIDERED)
Element 1. 2024 Nov
Element 2. 2025 Apr
Element 3. 2025 Nov
Element 4. 2026 Apr
Element 5. 2026 Nov
Element 6. other/later "(YYYY MMM)".
Even though we have to choose ONLY ONE given element of the thesis submission deadline, all the elements above are considered as MAXIMAL ELEMENTS OF THE POTENTIAL IDEAL ANSWERS.

IF the LENGTHS of the ideal/standardized answers are considered, the answer could be changed.
"2024 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"2025 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
"2025 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"2026 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
"2026 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"other/later" (considered as 11 characters). So, the maximal number of each elements' lengths could be 8+8+8+8+8+11="51". (ONLY IF "other/later" NOT considered as "YYYY MMM" format)

IF "other/later" is considered as "YYYY MMM" format, the answer could be changed too). It means:
"2024 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"2025 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
"2025 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"2026 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
"2026 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
"YYYY MMM" (considered as 8 characters). As a result of it, the maximal number of each elements' lengths could be 8+8+8+8+8+8="48" (ONLY IF the "other/later" is formatted as "YYYY MMM" and LENGTH also considered).

In the end, I do not believe that the number of the ideal/standardized answer elements resulted as the combinations of the thesis submission deadline dates.


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1.a Its 8 The number 8 refers to the length of the strings, specifically for the examples "2024-JAN" and "2027-DEC." It seems that these strings, which might represent dates in a specific format, each consist of 8 characters:

"2024-JAN" has 8 characters (including the dash).
"2027-DEC" also has 8 characters (including the dash).


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WHY: According to demo0.pdf maximal elements of the ideal answer has six options 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov and other/later. There are exactly five distinct options with the format in YYYY MMM. So for the last option(other/later) should be in the same format.


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1.b. I believe the ideal string length is 8 characters because it ensures consistency, clarity, and efficiency. The format "YYYY-MMM" (e.g., "2024-JAN") provides the necessary date information in a compact and standardized way. This fixed length prevents ambiguity, making data processing simpler and faster, as all entries are uniform.


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IF number of LENGTHS are considered as the length of ELEMENTS (Like as Professor said in Problem A, in "https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163493") the result could be changed.
IF we only consider about ELEMENTS, it would be like this:
Element 1. "2024 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
Element 2. "2025 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
Element 3. "2025 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
Element 4. "2026 Apr" (considered as 8 characters)
Element 5. "2026 Nov" (considered as 8 characters)
Element 6. "other/later" (considered as 11 characters) -> (ONLY IF other/later is NOT formatted as YYYY MMM)
IF other/later is FORMATTED as "YYYY MMM" format, it would also contain 8 characters (space is included).


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The professor probably chose 256 because it’s a common number in computing. It’s 2^8, which fits well with data storage and character encoding. Using 256 as a limit keeps things simple and works well with standard systems.


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WHY: The maximal Elements of the Standardized Answer-String is 6 since the given options are "2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later"

The maximal Elements of the Standardized Answer-String = 6
Ideal Number of Elements = 1 (selected deadline)

I am guessing the 6th option other/later is a semi-standardized answer that is not in ideal Standardized answer strings but can be parsed and processed in different ways.

for the case of other/later students would write in the same date format which is
thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM

e.g.
Algorithmic Approach:
Identify Date Format (YYYY MMM)by using a regex pattern like ...\b(202[4-7])\s(Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sep|Oct|Nov|Dec)\b to locate the date within the input, and handle possible different formats like in this example (See: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163272) then reformat into the standardized answer.

there are more potential solutions for non/semi-standardized answers/challenges/situations
(e.g. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163149 and
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163145)


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A simulated list with ALL potential 6 WHOLE answers (Includes STRINGS, ELEMENTS)
1. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2024 Nov" (37 characters)
2. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Apr" (37 characters)
3. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Nov" (37 characters)
4. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Apr" (37 characters)
5. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Nov" (37 characters)
6. "Thesis Submission Deadline = YYYY MMM" (37 characters)
IF only ELEMENTS are considered
1.a. "2024 Nov" (8 characters)
2.a. "2025 Apr" (8 characters)
3.a. "2025 Nov" (8 characters)
4.a. "2026 Apr" (8 characters)
5.a. "2026 Nov" (8 characters)
6.a. "YYYY MMM" (8 characters)
IF other/later option is NOT considered (WHOLE STRING and ELEMENTS included)
1.b "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2024 Nov" (37 characters)
2.b "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Apr" (37 characters)
3.b "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Nov" (37 characters)
4.b "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Apr" (37 characters)
5.b "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Nov" (37 characters)
IF other/later option is NOT considered (ONLY ELEMENTS are considered)
1.c. "2024 Nov" (8 characters)
2.c. "2025 Apr" (8 characters)
3.c. "2025 Nov" (8 characters)
4.c. "2026 Apr" (8 characters)
5.c. "2026 Nov" (8 characters)
ALL potential number of ideal/standardized answers are listed.


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2.b
According to demo0.pdf, the "ideal/standardized answer-string" must follow a specific format, starting with "thesis submission deadline =" and concluding with one of six defined options: 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, or other/later. Among these, five options are distinctly formatted as YYYY MMM. To maintain consistency, the last option, "other/later," should also adhere to this format. Consequently, there are precisely six maximal elements that align with the given structure, ensuring clarity and uniformity in the ideal answers provided.


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III.a - List of Potential Elements:
2024: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2025: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2026: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
2027: January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December


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Task III.b - Potential Problems with Ideal Length and Number of Elements:
A few challenges could arise with using 20 elements and a 250-character limit:

1. Balancing Detail and Brevity: While 250 characters can cover essential points, some elements might need to be overly concise, potentially losing detail.

2. Consistency Across Topics: For complex topics, fitting all necessary information within the 250-character ideal length could be restrictive, especially if more supporting evidence is needed.

3. Formatting Constraints: Using symbols and spaces effectively within this character limit requires careful formatting, as certain elements may look cluttered if not presented well.

These limitations could affect the clarity and completeness of standardized answers, particularly in more detailed topics.


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WHY: The maximum number for ideal standardized answers is stated in the document. There are only six valid options: "2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, and other/later" for a thesis submission deadline. All these options mean another answer in conformation with the format requirement "thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM" or "other /later". The number of the total ideal answers is confined to just these six, since no additional dates are allowed.
(https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997
and https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62886#p163421)


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Ib: The ideal length of the answer is exactly 37 characters because the document/email provided explicit guidance for formatting the response as “thesis submission deadline = .” This structure includes a fixed part, "thesis submission deadline =," which is 29 characters long, including spaces, and a selected date option, like "2024 Nov," which adds another 8 characters. Together, this totals exactly 37 characters.

This fixed length ensures that answers are standardized across all responses, making them both easy to read and efficient to process. By following this precise format, the answer remains clear and direct, as per the instructions. Additionally, this structure prevents variations in response length, which could otherwise lead to inconsistencies or potential misinterpretations. The 37-character format provides just enough space for clarity while staying concise and aligned with the communication guidelines.


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Problem: Cannot write other/later on thesis submission deadline, it makes system unable to detect. System can detect " Thesis submission deadline= YYYY MMM".


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II.b: In alignment with the demo0 structure, the "ideal/standardized answer-string" is intended to maintain consistency. The answer begins with "thesis submission deadline =" and typically concludes with one of several options. Although there are six potential dates listed (2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, or other/later), it’s possible to argue that only five are practical for most scenarios, excluding the "other/later" category, which could be considered less standardized due to its non-specific nature.
The decision to consider only five options rests on the assumption that "other/later" might be less commonly chosen and lacks a specific date, which reduces its alignment with the idea of a strictly standardized answer. Without "other/later," there are precisely five options, each corresponding to a specific deadline, thus maintaining a fixed format without ambiguity. This view supports the idea that five well-defined dates could be the practical maximum for standardized answers that fit the structured format.


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IIIa. Following the standardized answer structure and my answer to Task/Question II.a (where I identified 5 as the maximal number of ideal answer strings), here are all of the potential ideal answers that fit the 37-character ideal length established in Task/Question Ia:

"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov"
Each answer string conforms precisely to the format specified in demo0. This format includes the fixed phrase "thesis submission deadline =" (29 characters) and one of the five date options (each 8 characters, e.g., "2024 Nov"), resulting in an exact total of 37 characters. This alignment with the 37-character length provides a clear, standardized response format that is easy to follow and ensures consistency across all answers.


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III.b: One potential issue with setting both the ideal length to exactly 37 characters and limiting the maximal number of ideal answers to five is the exclusion of the "other/later" option. While "other/later" technically fits within the standardized structure of "thesis submission deadline =," it has 11 characters, which would make the total length 40 characters instead of 37. This could disrupt the uniformity of the 37-character standard, as including "other/later" would result in a slightly longer string.

Additionally, the rigid 37-character limit might limit flexibility if the full range of options needs to be accounted for. While 37 characters work perfectly for the five specific date options, the "other/later" category poses a challenge to this ideal length. This raises a question about whether the ideal length should be adjusted slightly or if exceptions should be allowed for cases like "other/later." Therefore, while 37 characters work effectively for the five standardized options, achieving absolute consistency may require reconsidering the inclusion of longer options like "other/later" to accommodate all scenarios without compromising the ideal structure.


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Length must be 37 characters (from Task I.a)
Must follow format: "thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM"
Must use options from demo0
"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov" (37)
"thesis submission deadline = other/later" (40)


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PROBLEM: One potential issue with the list of standardized answers is that "other/later" does not follow the YYYY MMM format, which could create inconsistencies if responses are processed for uniformity. Since "other/later" does not specify a particular date, it could be interpreted differently, making it less precise than the other options.
PROBLEM: requirement of an exact length can be challenging, as even small formatting errors or spacing issues could make an otherwise correct response appear invalid. Although we aim to follow the format exactly, minor mistakes are possible, which may affect the consistency of our responses.


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1. thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov
2. thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr
3. thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov
4. thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr
5. thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov
6. thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM --> in case of other/later


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PROBLEM: The option "other/later" could present formatting challenges, as it allow for various date entries beyond the standardized set.
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163581
PROBLEM: if students don't follow the exact YYYY MMM format, consistency issues could arise, affecting parsing and managing gathered data effectively.
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163581


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(First task and it already has a deadline: by 23:59 on the 13th Sep 2024, please send an email to the already well-known address (ptlklszl@my-x.hu) with ONLY the subject field prepared like this thesis submission deadline = <…see options below…> 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, other/later)

According to the instruction shown in the demo 0 our e-mail should be written like:

Subject: Thesis Submission Deadline = 2024 Dec

This means that we only needed to write one subject line anwser


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Because I think we need to present our thesis within our graduation year (before 6th semester finishes), so considering that we have 10 possible times next year, from September of 2024 to June of 2025.


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"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov" "thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM -- > in case of other/later" The length must be 37 and one of the six options.


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Problem A: The "other/later" option doesn't follow the YYYY MMM format, which can lead to confusion. Without a specific date, it might be interpreted differently, making it less clear than the other choices.

Problem B: Requiring an exact length can be challenging because even small formatting or spacing errors can make a correct response seem invalid. While we try to follow the format closely, minor mistakes can affect consistency.


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I.A 5 possible answers given:

2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov
So, the ideal/standardized answer count would be 5.


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I believe that the number of ideal/standardized answers is 5 because the instructions provide precisely five options that students should choose from. These options represent different deadlines that students might aim for when submitting their thesis. Since the mentor specified that students should submit an email with only the subject formatted according to these options, the standardized answers seem to be limited to these five specific deadline choices.

This standardized approach ensures uniformity and allows the mentor and Professor Pitlik to categorize students by their intended submission dates easily. The email’s strict format (with only the subject line filled) also reinforces that responses should align exactly with one of these five options, supporting the idea that there are five "ideal" or "standardized" answers.


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I believe that the maximal number of elements in the ideal/standardized answer string is 5 because each part of the phrase contributes to forming the required format as per the instructions. The mentor emphasized a specific structure for the subject line, and following that precisely means including each part exactly as written. The string components are as follows:

Three words ("thesis," "submission," "deadline"), which describe the purpose of the email.
An equals sign ("="), which separates the phrase from the chosen deadline.
One of the five deadline options (e.g., "2024 Nov").
Since each of these elements is essential to form the exact required subject line, the maximal number of elements in the ideal/standardized answer string is 5. This structure ensures clarity and standardization, making it easy for the mentor and department head to sort and categorize responses.


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Based on the standardized format and ideal length, here are the five possible answer strings:

"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov"
Each string contains exactly 5 elements: three words, the equals sign, and a deadline option.


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Potential Problems and Challenges:

Formatting Precision: Students must follow the exact format, so any small deviations (like extra spaces) could lead to errors.
Limited Options: With only five deadlines, some students may find their options restrictive.
Ambiguity in Element Counting: The interpretation of "elements" (words, spaces, punctuation) could vary, causing confusion.
Rigidity in Ideal Length: The strict 5-element structure may not allow flexibility if extra information is needed.


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Task/Question Ia
Number of ideal/standardized answers: 6

Task/Question Ib
The ideal number of standardized answers is 6 because there are six specific options provided for the thesis submission deadline:

2024 Nov
2025 Apr
2025 Nov
2026 Apr
2026 Nov
other/later
These options cover all possible answers, making the total number of standardized answers six. This allows for clear and consistent responses, making it easier for mentors and professors to track and manage students' planned thesis submission dates.


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3.a)�"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"�
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"�
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"�
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"�
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov"�
"thesis submission deadline = other/later"�


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3.b) according to the demo0 https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/pluginfile.php/440055/mod_resource/content/1/demo0.pdf
number of potential answer is 6
1. "thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"
2. "thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"
3. "thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"
4. "thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
5. "thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov"
6. "thesis submission deadline = other/later"
but the problem is (other/later) can be any year and month�YYYY MMM. so it can cause confusion.


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II.b)To find the total possible submission deadlines for your thesis, we can look at the years and months.

Years: You have 3 years to consider:

2024
2025
2026
Months: You have 6 options:

November (2024)
April (2025)
November (2025)
April (2026)
November (2026)
Other/Later
Now, to calculate the total number of combinations, we multiply the number of years by the number of months:

Total�options
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3�years
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6�options
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18
Total�options=3�yearsื6�options=18
Thus, there are 18 possible combinations, but the distinct submission deadlines are 6.


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3.a) Potential Elements of the Ideal Answer-Strings

I identified the following ideal answer strings, adhering to the specified format of "thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM":

"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov" (37 characters)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr" (37 characters)
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov" (37 characters)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr" (37 characters)
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov" (37 characters)


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3.b)
I see a few potential problems with having too many ideal answers. First, if there are too many similar responses, it can create confusion about what truly qualifies as an ideal answer. This might make it hard for evaluators to decide which responses stand out.

When it comes to ideal lengths, setting a specific range is tricky. A narrow length might limit students' ability to express their ideas fully, while a very broad range could lead to inconsistencies in grading. It’s important to find a balance so that answers remain clear and effective without overwhelming anyone involved in the evaluation process.


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I-b)To meet the required formatting for the "ideal/standardized answer-string" as outlined in demo0.pdf, responses must begin with "thesis submission deadline =" and end with one of six specified choices: 2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, or other/later. Notably, five of these options are in the YYYY MMM format, creating a consistent structure. For greater uniformity, it may be beneficial to also present the "other/later" option in the same format (e.g., "0000 Other") to align visually and structurally with the other entries. This approach enhances clarity and maintains a standardized pattern across all responses.
(see: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/pluginfile.php/440055/mod_resource/content/1/demo0.pdf )


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II-B) To find possible thesis submission deadlines, consider the years and options:
*Years*: 2024, 2025, 2026
*Options*: Six distinct options:
1. November 2024
2. April 2025
3. November 2025
4. April 2026
5. November 2026
6. Other/Later
These six options form the "maximal elements" for standardized answers. The "other/later" option can still be processed in a semi-standardized way if students use the YYYY MMM format.
*Total Combinations*: Although multiplying 3 years by 6 options gives 18, the actual distinct deadlines remain limited to these 6 specified options.


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III-a)Ideal Answer Structure:There are six ideal, 37-character answer strings:
"thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr"
"thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov"
"thesis submission deadline = other/later".Each string combines the fixed phrase (29 characters) with a specific 8-character deadline, ensuring clear and consistent responses.


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III-B) The primary focus is on ensuring that all entries are valid within the specified timeframe outlined in the demo0-annex. Any dates prior to September 2024 are excluded to avoid misrepresenting the submission timeline. Additionally, the required response length is 8 characters in the "YYYY-MMM" format, ensuring consistency and adherence to the specified criteria. By maintaining a uniform format, clarity is enhanced, and the submission aligns with the guidelines provided in demo0. This approach guarantees that all responses are valid, precise, and in full compliance with the instructions.


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ALL the possible correct answer strings, all 8 characters long:
(Includes only ELEMENTS)
1.2024-Nov
2.2025-Apr
3.2025-Nov
4.2026-Apr
5.2026-Nov
6.YYYY-MMM
IF STRINGS and ELEMENTS are considered
1."Thesis Submission Deadline = 2024 Nov" (37 characters)
2. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Apr" (37 characters)
3. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2025 Nov" (37 characters)
4. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Apr" (37 characters)
5. "Thesis Submission Deadline = 2026 Nov" (37 characters)
6. "Thesis Submission Deadline = YYYY MMM" (37 characters)


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Problems with Answer Strings
There are a few problems to address when making sure the answers are correct:

Problem A: Same Length

All answers need to be 8 characters long. Dates like "2024-Nov" and "2026-Nov" fit this length. We should use the "YYYY-MMM" format to keep all answers the same length.

Problem B: Valid Dates

We need to make sure the dates are valid based on the demo0-annex. For example, if the demo0-annex starts from "2024-Nov," we should not accept earlier dates like "2024-JAN" as valid.

Solution and Self-Check
To solve these problems:

Use a Standard Format: All dates should be in the "YYYY-MMM" format. This keeps the length the same for all answers.
Check Valid Dates: Only include dates from "2024-Nov" onwards. This ensures all dates are valid according to the demo0-annex.
1.2024-Nov
2.2025-Apr
3.2025-Nov
4.2026-Apr
5.2026-Nov
6.YYYY-MMM


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Each evaluator should have voted with correct or incorrect about the estimated/derived ideal length! If it is incorrect, then it brings 0 point to the aggregated score defined in Quasi-Exam-II.


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Is the possibility to choose the "other/later"-option a real information for the database? If the defined YYYY-MMM codes could not be identified, is it still relevant, whether the option "other/later" could be identified?


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Not only the estimation as such, but also the chronological position of an answer is relevant, if the winner should be derived!


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The ideal length and the count of the potential answers with the ideal length are two different challenges. Each evaluator should have voted with correct or incorrect about the estimated/derived ideal length and also about the count of the potential answers with ideal length! If one of them is incorrect, then this part brings 0 point to the aggregated score defined in Quasi-Exam-II. In the worst case: 0+0 / YYYY-MMM = 8 characters / other/later <> 8 characters c.f. we are searching for the count of the potential answers WITH THE IDEAL LENGTH! If the ideal length is finally defined, it is a parameter, which MUST BE USED for each further interpretation of the tasks/challenges, therefore also in case of the count of the potential answers with the ideal length!


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Each evaluator should have voted with correct or incorrect about the estimated/derived ideal length! If it is incorrect, then it brings 0 point to the aggregated score defined in Quasi-Exam-II. It is also imporant, that an answer does only deliver one single number (without IF/THEN-layers)! The quality of the answers has therefore more layers: correctness/time/format


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Standard part with single number and a very compact rule interpretation! The quality of the answers has therefore one more layers: correctness/time/format/compactness <--The aggregated score (see Quasi Exam II) should have been derived based on all rational existing evaluation sublayers!


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Each evaluator should have voted with correct or incorrect about the estimated/derived ideal length! If it is incorrect, then it brings 0 point to the aggregated score defined in Quasi-Exam-II. It is a new question, whether the standard answer does really need the characters of "I.a" or nor? Is a/this Moodle-thread as structure-giving frame capable of handling the relationships of questions and answers?


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If a compact answer is not helpful enough for learning pupuses, than the longer variation can be usefull - but it is important to see the difference: do we need correctness and compactness in the core communication or do we need being prepared for potential learning effects?


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How to evaluate, if the direct answer (for the question about the ideal lenght) is incorrect, but the why-layer could be accepted? It means: the sublayers of the evaluation (defined before): do have relationships/connections to each other: only the correct number (for the length) AND parallel the correct why-layer bring points! The compactness of the why-layer could be evaluated in a sepatated way, but why should be this rational, if each sublayers are in the same time relevant? OR: we do need a further sublayer for the evaluation: correctness/time/format/compactness/relations?!


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What was the question/task? We are searching for the count of the answers with the IDEAL length! <--On the field of the computer sciences is each word (sign) totally relevant (see syntax-expectations of source codes)!


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8<>11 - Important question: Whether the affected Students read the previous entries of each other at all?


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In terms of the validity of the answer, the option "other/later" is not useful since it does not align with the system's purpose which provided valid 5 options-"2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov". Furthermore, choosing the option "other/later" as I mentioned as following
--> https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163581
"for the case of other/later students would write in the same date format which is
thesis submission deadline = YYYY MMM"
while it can fulfill the structural requirements (Ideal length), it does not provide valuable and relevant information.
Thus, the option- "other/later" should be eliminated so that we can collect meaningful and relevant database entries.

The ideal length of the answer - 37
The maximal Elements of the Standardized Answer-String - 5

1. thesis submission deadline = 2024 Nov
2. thesis submission deadline = 2025 Apr
3. thesis submission deadline = 2025 Nov
4. thesis submission deadline = 2026 Apr
5. thesis submission deadline = 2026 Nov


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Please, evaluate each entry in the Quasi-Exam-I thread! The evaluation is a number between 0-9. 0 means: the logic of the particular person is irrational concerning the problem and/or concerning the logics of the other Students. 9 means: the given logic is error-free, ideal, excellent. 5-6-7-8 mean: the logic is rather basically strong. 1-2-3-4 mean: the logic is rather basically weak. Please, do not forget, you have onyl one single vote (evaluation score: 0-9) for each person (independent from the number of the existing entries behind - theoretically everybody should have 6 entries I.a/b, II.a/b, IIIa/b). It means: you have to identify in the thread each potential (unique) person. The following list with names and neptun codes should therefore be used, and you only may change the "x" position with 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 and you may create ONE SINGLE entry with all these names/codes/scores in one take within the thread Quasi-Exam-II.�


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Deadline for this evaluation process: 2024.XI.08.24.00 (estimated time 60 minutes). The result will be: each person should have from each person (= it is therefore necessary to have a self-evalution too) a score (0-9). (Remark: the number/count of entries in case of each persons, and the timestamps of these entries should not exctracted from the thread as fields of a database...:-)


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:7
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:8
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:7
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:6
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:x
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:7
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T:x
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:x
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:8
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:7
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:8
Honti Benjแmin:Y9KENY:7
L้vai Mแrk Zsigmond:B5C2UE:6
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:x
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:x
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT:x
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:8
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:7
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:7
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:x
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:7
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:7
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:8
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:8


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:7
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:7
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:6
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:7
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:x
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:8
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T :x
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:x
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:8
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:7
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:8
Benjแmin Honti:Y9KENY:6
Zsigmond Mแrk L้vai:B5C2UE:7
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:x
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:x
Mortazavi Mahshid :E68IAT:x
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:9
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:6
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:6
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:x
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:7
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:6
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:9
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:7


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Please, study the following file: https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/315/quasi_exam_II_collected.xlsx
First questions, needing separated entries as answers:


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Q1: What kind of antagonisms can be detected? Please, formulate your answers extremely precise - c.f. which particular cells/sheets have antagonistic contents + WHY?! (estimated time 30 minutes)


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Q2: Who is the best? Please, derive your aggregated evaluations for each person based on each available score + derivation: WHY even so?! (estimated time 30 minutes)


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:7
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:8
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:6
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:5
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:9
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:3
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T:9
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:4
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:8
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:6
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:5
Honti Benjamin:Y9KENY:6
L้vai Mark Zsigmond:B5C2UE:8
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:4
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:6
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT:7
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:5
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:7
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:3
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:6
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:8
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:9
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:6
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:5


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1. MD Shahriar vs. MD Adnan (Rows 15 and 14): MD Shahriar has scores of 5 and 6 in columns 10 and 12, while MD Adnan has zeros there. This difference highlights a bit of opposition in their scoring pattern.

2. Turtogtokh vs. ึzt�rk and Rajesh (Rows 23, 19, and 20): Turtogtokh has a high score of 9 in column 10, but ึzt�rk and Rajesh scored much lower (3 and 0). This shows a big contrast in scores, which stands out in this part of the table.

What This Means: These scoring differences, or "antagonisms," show us that certain rows are opposites in specific spots. High scores next to low scores in the same column can suggest there might be a difference in how these people scored.


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Ganzorig Boldsukh is the best one.
WHY: He has the highest average score out of us, indicating his response and explanation was understood and respected the most by us.


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Firstly, The "problem?" column shows antagonistic tendencies, indicating differences between scores given and received:
High Negative Values (e.g. -5 in rows AF4 and AF20):
These scores suggest individuals who tend to grade others lower than they are rated by their classmates.
Example: In rows AF4 (Ankhbold Amin-Erdene) and AF20 (Nyambaatar Zandangarav), both have a "problem?" value of -5. This indicates they have high standards in scoring others, giving scores (0) that are lower than the average ratings they receive (5). Despite this, the class overall has a positive evaluation of these people.

Positive differences, such as the +5 in row AF10 (Dangiwa Japheth Jerry), show a person who tends to rate others at an average of 6 but overall, other peers tend to grade this individual at a much lower grade, at an average of 1.
These examples clearly show antagonistic behavior between individuals and other peers in evaluating classmates from their perspectives.

Secondly, we can see strong antagonism behavior in the evaluation of Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur.
on rows, AB26 and O26 have values 4 and 9 respectively which means Honti Benjamin and Muhammad Khuram Latif have opposing ideas concerning Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur's answer.


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What impresses me is that no one got a score under 5 making me believe that no antagonisms could be detected. But deriving an antagonisms from the evaluations are, where people do not reciprocate high scores indicating potential biases or strategic underscoring and some individuals appear to have scored each other lower deliberately. Example: Ankhbold Amin-Erdene received a score of 7 from most participants but was given a notably lower score by Bayanmunkh Ganbat (cell (6, F) where it is marked as 6. Conversely, Ankhbold Amin-Erdene gave Bayanmunkh Ganbat a score of 7 (cell (4, D).
Mutual underscoring can be derived from columns P (MD Adnan Hossain Alif) and Q (MD Shahriar Islam):
Both participants consistently gave each other lower scores (cells (10, P) and (10, Q)) with scores of 5 and 6 respectively, while their average scores from others are closer to 7.


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Munkhjargal Ariunbold stands out as the top performer with a total score of 137. This high score highlights their consistents across various evaluative criteria.

Why Munkhjargal Ariunbold?
Munkhjargal received consistently high ratings from nearly all evaluators, reflecting broad approval. Unlike other high scorers, Munkhjargal’s scores show little variability, suggesting a universal appreciation for their contributions.

Comparison with Others
Other top scorers, such as Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar (136) and Ganzorig Boldsukh (129), also performed well, but with more score variability. Munkhjargal’s consistently high ratings across all evaluators.


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According to an average of received scores from others, Shagai Turtogtokh has a value of 5.2 (SUM 138) which is the highest performance in class compared to others moreover he tends to agree with other peers' ideas.

Secondly, Munkhjargal Ariunbold has an average score of 5.12 (SUM 137) and tends to agree with others having a value of 0 on column "problem?"
Generally, these two individuals have positive perspectives toward other peers and tend to receive higher scores as well.


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This analysis reveals antagonisms in peer evaluations, with contrasting scores suggesting different standards and biases. The problem column highlights people like Ankhbold, who rate others lower than they’re rated, and Jerry, who rates generously but is rated lower by peers. Cases like Tuyatsetseg’s contrasting scores further reflect polarized opinions, while mutual underscoring between Adnan and Shahriar suggests potential bias. Together, these patterns reveal complex dynamics in peer evaluations.


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Munkhjargal Ariunbold stands out as the top performer with a total score of 137, marked by consistent high ratings and alignment with peers (a “problem?” score of 0), indicating broad approval and reliability. While Ganzorig Boldsukh also excelled with the highest average score, reflecting clear and respected responses, Munkhjargal’s steady, high ratings across all evaluators underscore a well-rounded, widely appreciated approach.


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The primary issue in assessing this question is that many participants either didn’t submit responses or ran out of time, resulting in numerous scores of zero. However, I believe Shagai Turtogtokh stands out as the best.
WHY? In Quasi Exam I, even though I typically prefer more elaborate answers, I found his response particularly impressive. This is also reflected in the evaluations, as he achieved a high score, likely due to the logical and clear way he explained each point,�and not only the best in terms of scores, but also in terms of logic.


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Significant conflicts have arisen among students, largely due to varying submission times. For example, if someone missed the deadline, it resulted in an automatic zero, which then impacted everyone’s scores. Additionally, some assess the results in a straightforward manner, considering a score of 0 as the worst and 9 as the best, with the other numbers representing a range between these. In my view, these differences mainly stem from a few students who forgot to submit on time, or who were delayed while others had already completed the assignment. If these delays hadn’t occurred, the discrepancies would likely be minimal, as I believe most students responded logically and achieved generally good scores.


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To answer this, I looked for places in the spreadsheet where people’s evaluations contradict each other. Basically, I wanted to see if different evaluators had opposite or very different opinions about the same person on the same criteria. Here’s how I broke it down:
Detected Antagonisms:

Turtogtokh Shagai has conflicting scores: Some evaluators gave a 9 (like in their own submission and Munkhjaral's evaluation) while others gave 6-7
Munkhjargal Ariunbold shows variance: Received 9 from some evaluators (Turtogtokh, Enkhtur) but 6-7 from others (like Boldsukh's second evaluation)
Honti Benjแmin's scores range from 6 to 9 (Sukh-Ochir gave 9, while others gave 6)

b) Treatment of Missing Scores:

Some evaluators marked missing scores with "x" while Boldsukh Ganzorig filled in actual numerical scores (4-6) for previously unmarked students like:

Belhadj Abderrahmane (marked as "x" by most, but 4 by Boldsukh)
MD Adnan Hossain Alif (marked as "x" by most, but 5 by Boldsukh)
Mortazavi Mahshid (marked as "x" by most, but 6-7 by Boldsukh)


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I've noticed some issues in the peer evaluations that show antagonistic tendencies based on contradictory scores:

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CONTRADICTORY SCORES:

	* For instance, if "Muhammad Khuram Latif" gave a score of 8 to someone who didn’t really participate or contribute, it makes you wonder how fair that score really is. It feels like there might be some bias or favoritism going on instead of a genuine evaluation of that person's work.
	* The same goes for "Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria." If they got a high score from someone who also didn’t participate, it creates a contradiction. It makes it hard to trust those scores since they don’t reflect actual contributions.

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WHY THIS HAPPENS:

	* LACK OF PARTICIPATION: When students don’t engage with the tasks, they can’t give valid evaluations. So, if they score others, it often leads to inflated scores based on personal relationships rather than real performance. This really messes with the integrity of the whole evaluation process.
	* RANDOM SCORING: If someone is giving scores to classmates who didn’t contribute, it shows they’re not taking the evaluation seriously. This can create tension among those who actually put in the effort, making it feel unfair that some are getting high scores without doing the work.

In summary, these patterns really highlight the need for us to be more thoughtful and fairer in our evaluations to make sure everyone gets the recognition they deserve for their hard work.


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After adding up all of the scores that are available and looking for pattern:
1.Munkhjargal Ariunbold and Turtogtokh Shagai emerge as top performers:
Both consistently received high scores (7-9 range)
Multiple evaluators gave them 8-9 scores
They maintained high scores across different evaluators

2. Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar also shows strong performance:
Consistently received 7-8 scores
No significantly low scores
Stable evaluation across different reviewers


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After going through all the evaluations, I took a closer look at the scores for each person to figure out who stands out as the best. Here’s what I found:

Based on the evaluations, I found that�Turtogtokh Shagai�has an average score of�5.2�(with a total of�138), which is indeed the highest in the class. This indicates not only strong performance but also a positive reception from peers.

In comparison,�Munkhjargal Ariunbold�has an average score of�5.12�(with a total of�137), which is also impressive. It’s interesting to note that both individuals have shown a tendency to agree with their peers, as mentioned in the evaluations. This collaborative spirit likely contributes to their high scores, as they foster positive interactions and support within the group.



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Turtogtokh Shagai has the highest average score (8.25) among the others. After that, Munkhjargal Ariunbold placed the second (8.00). Obviously Turtogtokh Shagai stands out as the best.
WHY: In QUASY exam 1, Turtogtokh Shagai's answer appreciated by the most of students and he brought the strongest argument and perspective, and he contrived logically accurate argument, even though Munkhjargal Ariunbold and Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar have also the logical arguments.


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar has scores of 7 and 6, while Ankhbold Amin-Erdene alternates between 7 and 6, suggesting inconsistent criteria or biases among evaluators. Similarly, Ganzorig Boldsukh receives scores of 7 and 8, reflecting differing perspectives. Stronger antagonisms are evident in cases like Munkhjargal Ariunbold, with scores of 9 and 8, or Bayanmunkh Ganbat, where scores range from 6 to 8, indicating significant divergence in judgment. These patterns suggest contrasting views or evaluation inconsistencies, pointing to potential biases or subjective differences in scoring behavior.


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Based on the available data, Munhjargal Ariunbold is the best, as he received scores from the highest number of attendees, with 18 individuals providing evaluations. Munhjargal accumulated a total of 139 points, resulting in an average score of 7.7.


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Peer evaluations reveal underlying tensions, with scoring differences highlighting varied standards and biases. For instance, in the "problem?" column, Ankhbold Amin-Erdene consistently rates others lower than he is rated, suggesting a stricter view of his peers. Meanwhile, Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar tends to score others slightly more favorably than he is rated, hinting at a lenient approach. Bayanmunkh Ganbat’s scores also show he receives lower ratings than he gives, pointing to a potential disparity in mutual perception. Together, these patterns reflect complex dynamics in peer evaluation.


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Antagonisms:
Disparity in Scoring:

Sheet: data_1
Details: Low average scores given by evaluators like "Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria" (~0.72) indicate non-participation or biased scoring.
Why: Undermines fairness and creates frustration for active contributors.
Unjustified High Scores:

Sheet: data_1
Details: Evaluators like "Muhammad Khuram Latif" potentially gave high scores without proper reason.
Why: Suggests favoritism, skews results, and affects trust.
Scoring by Non-Contributors:

Sheet: data_1 & raw
Details: Evaluators such as "MD Shahriar Islam" show little scoring output but still participate.
Why: Reduces reliability of assessments and fairness.
High Scores from Low Participation:

Sheet: data_1
Details: High scores given by low-participation peers suggest non-objective evaluations.
Why: Misrepresents contributions, causing antagonism among participants.

These issues highlight biases and inconsistencies that need addressing to maintain fair peer evaluations.


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Turtogtokh Shagai stands out with the highest score of 138, which highlights not only exceptional individual achievement but also the positive regard from peers. This score reflects both solid performance and the ability to contribute positively to the group dynamic.

Munkhjargal Ariunbold follows closely with a total of 137 points. Like Turtogtokh Shagai, Munkhjargal Aruinbold demonstrates a strong ability to collaborate with peers. Their shared focus on teamwork likely contributes to the high regard both have received, fostering a supportive and effective group environment.


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Shagai Turtogtokh stands out for maintaining a high average score of 5.2 (total 138) across multiple evaluations, showcasing consistent approval from peers. His scores demonstrate low variability, indicating that evaluators consistently recognized his contributions positively. This suggests a reliable performance that peers valued uniformly.

Munkhjargal Ariunbold, with an average of 5.12 (total 137), also shows strong performance but with slightly more score consistency. The minimal variability in Munkhjargal’s scores indicates steady recognition from different evaluators, highlighting his dependable and cooperative nature.

Overall, while both individuals exhibit strong consistency, Turtogtokh’s slightly higher aggregate score and uniformly positive evaluations position him as the top performer.


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Example (K18 - Munkhjargal Ariunbold evaluating Nyambaatar Zandangarav): Ariunbold gives a 9 to Zandangarav, a notably high score indicating positive evaluation, yet Zandangarav’s overall evaluation average stands lower at 5 (row V, average column). This discrepancy creates an antagonism, suggesting Ariunbold’s assessment is either excessively generous or misaligned with general consensus.

Example (AB18 - Zandangarav evaluating Sukh-Ochir Dulguun): Zandangarav’s evaluation of Dulguun is 7, but Dulguun’s overall average score is 5. This mismatch creates an antagonistic tension because Zandangarav’s evaluation is consistently more favorable than the general trend of evaluations Dulguun receives.


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Looking at the scores students gave to each others, there was no score less than 4 other than 0. To find out the reason for the 0 points, firstly, the student giving score to others did not participate and all the points to be given became 0, and secondly, because the student did not participate in Quasi Exam I and did not wrote the answers, other students could not evaluate them, so 0 points or no points were given. From this, it can be concluded that those who gave points to those who did not answer were seen as passive and giving irrelevant random numbers.


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Deadlines are deadlines... especially on the real world of the enterprises (theoretically paying for all your activities, if at all)


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First off, the "targeted average" and "evaluator average" columns show some tensions in how classmates see each other. There are clear differences between how some students score others and how they’re scored in return, which hints at some mismatches in expectations.

Low Targeted Averages with Neutral Evaluator Averages (like in rows AF5 and AF15): For some students, their targeted average (the score they get from others) is way lower than their evaluator average (the scores they give to others). This pattern suggests that these students are being rated lower by their peers, even though they’re pretty fair in how they score everyone else. Take row AF5, for example—Belhadj Abderrahmane’s targeted average is only 1, even though he has an evaluator average of 5. This might mean that the class just doesn’t see eye to eye with him or doesn’t fully value his contributions.

High Targeted Averages with Low Evaluator Averages (like rows AF9 and AF17): On the flip side, some students are rated highly by their classmates but tend to give out lower scores themselves. This could mean they’re seen in a positive light by others but have higher expectations or a stricter standard when scoring their peers. For instance, in row AF9, Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar has a targeted average of 8 but gives out lower scores, showing that while others think highly of him, he’s more critical or selective in how he rates others.


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Munkhjargal stands out as the most balanced and highly scored student among the others. His scores are consistently high across evaluator and targeted averages, with no conflicts noted in the problem score, suggesting that he is fair.

This balanced scoring, and absence of antagonistic tendencies make Munkhjargal Ariunbold the best choice based on the available data.


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Detected Antagonisms
1.Evaluation Disparities:
MD Shahriar vs. MD Adnan (Rows 15 & 14): Shahriar scored 5 and 6, while Adnan got 0 in the same columns, reflecting differing standards or bias.
Turtogtokh vs. ึzt�rk & Rajesh (Rows 23, 19 & 20): Turtogtokh gave a 9, while others gave 3 and 0, indicating conflicting evaluations.

2."Problem?" Column Variance:

High Negative Values: Ankhbold Amin-Erdene (-5) and Nyambaatar Zandangarav (-5) scored stricter than their peers.
High Positive Values: Dangiwa Japheth Jerry (+5) rated generously but was scored lower by peers.

3.Favoritism and Bias:

Cabral de Noronha received high scores (9) despite low participation, suggesting favoritism.

MD Adnan & MD Shahriar: Both gave each other lower scores (5 and 6) than their group average (~7), showing potential bias.

4.Mismatched Peer Perceptions:

Munkhjargal (Row K18): Gave Nyambaatar a 9, while the group average was 5.
Nyambaatar (Row AB18): Scored Dulguun 7, above the class average of 5.


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Based on all the drafted problems: we do need an objective, optimization-based, anti-discimination-oriented mathematics for ranking objects (persons) in a multidimensional evaluation space where quasi arbitrary attributes can be defined about the Goodness-layers of persons... Yet, "arbitrary" might not mean: fact-independent! (c.f. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p164031 + reactions to each other + ...)


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On the naive (not-optimized) level (see: total and/or average scores), a qualitative solution is never possible: https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/196/My-X%20Team_A5%20fuzet_EN_jav.pdf On the field of the computer sciences: it is necessary to know about the possible objectivity. There are typical decision situations (c.f. which object is better than an other one where object can be persons, source codes, processes, systems, enterprises, regions, time-intervals, etc.) needing the optimized objectiviy in a frequently/constantly way.


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Please, formulate your argumentation for each/some score(s) setting into the list for Quasi Exam II., if you want! Please, discuss about them, if you want! Please, be professional, and never touch the person as such, only the phenomenon (e.g. words, sentences, derivations, logics, etc.). In this thread, there are no special rules prescripted... (Estimated time: 60 minutes)



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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:6
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:8
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:7
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:5
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:7
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:3
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T:9
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:4
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:8
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:6
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:5
Honti Benjamin:Y9KENY:6
L้vai Mark Zsigmond:B5C2UE:8
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:4
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:6
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT:7
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:5
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:7
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:3
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:6
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:8
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:9
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:6
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:5


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:7
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:8
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:6
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:5
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:7
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:6
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T:4
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:5
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:6
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:7
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:8
Benjแmin Honti:Y9KENY:7
Zsigmond Mแrk L้vai:B5C2UE:5
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:4
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:6
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT:7
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:6
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:5
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:6
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:8
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:7
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:5
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:6
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:4


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WHY here? (it is again a not-standardized answer in a dedicated communication especially about the standardization)


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Amarsanaa Amgalanbaatar:LM9NNF:7
Ankhbold Amin-Erdene:DUBJW0:7
Batbayar Munkh-Orgil:B8OIEW:7
Bayanmunkh Ganbat:H4TNN5:7
Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0:7
Byekbolat Nurbol:IQBQH8:7
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T :7
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA:7
Enkhtur Yaruu-Aldar:LQTKVC:7
Gankhuyag Bilegt:MSHYET:7
Ganzorig Boldsukh:CCFBQX:7
Benjแmin Honti:Y9KENY:7
Zsigmond Mแrk L้vai:B5C2UE:7
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N:7
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA:7
Mortazavi Mahshid :E68IAT:7
Munkhjargal Ariunbold:AUJ3PC:7
Nyambaatar Zandangarav:LJANRL:7
ึzt�rk G�lsah:DJU2DF:7
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0:7
Sukh-Ochir Dulguun:DKRV8N:7
Tsetsegsuren Namjiljav:BEVGH5:7
Turtogtokh Shagai:COV22Y:7
Tuyatsetseg Battuguldur:BVX1GK:7


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I evaluated my classmates' answers and assigned them a score of 7. The reasoning behind this consistent score is that, while there were slight differences in their responses, the underlying logic was generally the same. Most students demonstrated a solid understanding of the concept of a standardized answer, considering the requirements and format constraints provided.
One notable response stated that the standardized length is 8, highlighting that the answer's format follows a 'YYYY MMM' structure, totaling 8 characters, including spaces. This approach showed precise reasoning based on the length of the response format.
Another student approached the task differently, suggesting that the ideal answer length should be 37 characters. They broke down the calculation by explaining that the base part of the answer, "thesis submission deadline =," accounts for 29 characters (with spaces), and the option, such as "2024 Nov," adds 8 characters. This response demonstrated attention to detail and careful calculation.
A third student focused on the importance of accuracy and clarity, emphasizing that concise, precise wording aids comprehension without unnecessary details. They noted that maintaining brevity while ensuring completeness could reduce the character count without compromising the answer’s clarity.
Lastly, one student chose a longer response format (96 characters) to include additional context. They provided a more comprehensive answer by writing a short, yet informative, email that incorporated expressions of gratitude, the response itself, and an assurance of thorough work on the thesis. This approach, while different, highlighted their interpretation of the requirements and showed how various formats could still align with the main logic of a standardized answer.
The slight variations in these answers stem from different interpretations of what constitutes a "standardized answer" based on format and requirements. While the actual length of the answers varied, these differences did not significantly impact the understanding of the question’s logic.


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This view is (still unexpected here and now) a special interpretation of a very important question: can we evaluate each person with the same value based on the available data (on all previous evaluations)? Please, try to create/identify an appropriate method for this question! (estimated time: 30 minutes)


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" the underlying logic was generally the same"<--no-no-no, not at all! The question about the length of the ideal string as answer and also the question about the number of the potential strings with this ideal length make not possible to evaluate alternative answers as identical valuable! ONLY the correct answer is the correct answer and each other one is simply incorrect (see binary evaluation).


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"Most students demonstrated a solid understanding of the concept of a standardized answer, considering the requirements and format constraints provided." <--unfortunately, not at all! ONLY the correct interpretation is the correct interpretation and each other one is simply incorrect (see binary evaluation). In the system planning / system operation, we do need basic parameters like lengths, counts, etc. IF they can not be derived in a rational way, THEN each other step (basing on them) will be chaotic... This problem field has no space for the diplomacy! :-)


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"One notable response": 8 as ideal length is totally incorrect (see original email: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/resource/view.php?id=154997). The standardized answer has to support not only the content, but also the identification of emails and this expectation do need a constant part in the ideal answer. the version of "YYYY MMM" has two variable parts and no constant part!


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"Another student & 37": Who? Only one single person? Why do have each other person higher score than 0 at all where the correct answer (let alone any valuable online activity) is not given?


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"A third student": The challenge is - to answer very clear questions - in a very clear way! The life-performance should not be evaluated - here and now... :-) (Please, be always very focused on the real targets... - 1000000 focusless answers < 1 correct answer )


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"This approach, while different, highlighted their interpretation of the requirements and showed how various formats could still align with the main logic of a standardized answer. + The slight variations in these answers stem from different interpretations of what constitutes a "standardized answer" based on format and requirements. While the actual length of the answers varied, these differences did not significantly impact the understanding of the question’s logic." <--no-no-no, not at all! Each variation are incorrect if it does lead to incorrect conclusions. The challenge is not having arbitrary interpretation, the challenge is delivering the correct answers. There is no space for "main logic"! There is only space for correct answers!


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"The slight variations in these answers stem from different interpretations of what constitutes a "standardized answer" based on format and requirements. While the actual length of the answers varied, these differences did not significantly impact the understanding of the question’s logic." <-- It is a very "significant impact" if an aswer is correct or not correct. More "significance" can not even be imagined! :-)


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Who is the best one (winner - see:�https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/315/quasi_exam_II_collected.xlsx + https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62982)?



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The best one should be derived first of all based on the written answers of the potential competitors and not only based on the arbitrary/subjective scores - even if the scores can lead to a total or average number (as acceptable, but totally naive derivation way). (estimated time: 30 minutes)


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The statements (answers, declarations, derivations, etc.) of the winner may be seen as totally error-free explanations? Please, never forget: we are searching for 2 simply numbers (1: ideal length, 2: count of the potential answers with this ideal length).


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https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/315/quasi_exam_II_collected.xlsx <--this file does basically help to identify irrational scores especially in cases where NO real performances might be identified in the background...


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Please, define each person, who might not have even the signature for this course - if the final evalution should be here and now! (estimated time: 15 minutes - please, do not forget, your official performance-evaluation is depending on the correctness of all your answers (c.f. it is not a field for diplomatic issues)...


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Please, comment/criticizes (what is not totally correct) the performances of your single winner concerning each entry from the winner! (estimated time: 60 minutes)


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The winner's name should be defined only here! Standardized answer = only the copied! name of the winners as reply for this entry! Official name-versions can you see in Moodle: e.g. entry "by ..." + date


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Munkhjargal Ariunbold
I chose him based on these requirements
- Have consistently high-quality answers (indicated by high scores across all metrics).
- Exhibit clarity and precision in responses that likely align with the "ideal length" criteria.
- Show no major issues or contradictions in their performance evaluation.

Based on this, Munkhjargal Ariunbold is a strong candidate, assuming his performance is devoid of irrational or exaggerated scores.


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1.https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163586
https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p163589
--> Incorrect: The maximum number of ideal standardized answers is stated in the document, which includes six valid options for the thesis submission deadline: "2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov, and other/later."

Why: Including the "other/later" option is irrelevant because it does not align with the principles of standardized communication or system usability. Answers must provide clear, valuable, and relevant information, and "other/later" does fulfill structural requirements but does not fulfill practical (database usability) requirements. (--> https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=62967#p164055)


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1.Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0 Last access to cource - 24 days 18 hours --> No post on the forum
2.Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T Last access to cource - 4 days 6 hours --> No post on the forum
4.Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT - No post on the forum
5.MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA Last access to cource - 10 days 8 hours--> No post on the forum
6.MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N Last access to cource - 1 day 22 hours --> No post on the forum


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There are areas for improvement:

	* Addressing alternative interpretations of the options
	* Expanding on the implications and challenges posed by the "other/later" option.
	* Considering the importance of timely submission in the evaluation process.
	* These refinements would make the responses even stronger and more aligned with the teacher’s expectations.



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Belhadj Abderrahmane:BWJPX0
Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T
Dangiwa Japheth Jerry:GIGNRA
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT
Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0
Based on their entries they didn't write any entries also some of them is incorrect.


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2.Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria: G4VH8T
4.Mortazavi Mahshid: E68IAT
5.MD Shahriar Islam: D5MUMA


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Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0
They either has not submitted a response, nor submitted within the deadline.


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MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT


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Rajesh Aadi:SKANN0
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Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T
MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA
Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT


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MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N
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Cabral de Noronha e Menezes Furtado Ant๓nio Maria:G4VH8T


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The evaluation process for determining the winner of the task required careful analysis of the submissions. The ideal length of the correct answer was identified as 37 characters. This conclusion was based on the standardized format of the response, which consists of a fixed part, "thesis submission deadline =", and a constant part listing specific dates: "2024 Nov, 2025 Apr, 2025 Nov, 2026 Apr, 2026 Nov." Together, these components total 37 characters, including spaces.�

The count of potential answers with this ideal length was determined to be 5, as the instructions explicitly offered five thesis submission deadlines for students to choose from.�

The selection of the winner was complicated due to the timing and accuracy of the responses. Byekbolat Nurbol was the only participant to submit a fully correct answer; however, his submission was received late, at 01:28 on November 4. By that time, the correct answers had already been established. Earlier submissions by other participants demonstrated partial accuracy. For instance, Turtogtokh Shagai correctly identified the ideal answer length of 37 at 19:06, while Nyambaatar Zandangarav identified the number of potential answers as five at 15:15. However, neither Tuttogtokh Shagai nor Nyambaatar Zandangarav successfully addressed both components of the question.

Despite Nurbol's delayed submission, his response played a critical role in clarifying the exact answers. Until his input, the precise resolution of the question remained uncertain. As a result, Byekbolat Nurbol was selected as the winner.


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4.MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA
5.Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT


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MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA - No post on the forum
MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N - No post on the forum


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Not only the counts of the entries, but their timestamps (as log-data) can be involved into a robust evaluation, where frist of al we do not need complex evaluation models (see antidiscriminative techniques), but we do need very simplex IF/THENs for deriving attributes (goodness layers with directions for a later antidiscrimination process): e.g. IF a person could not deliver a needed entry within the deadline, than this fact should be evaluated as a negative force field compared to the fact, somebody way capable of following the predefined time-schedules.


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LOG-based argumentations are given! It would be more matured if Moodle-URLs were defined where the evidences could be found: e.g. https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/report/view.php?courseid=17814 (<--log-based reports - for certain access rigths - c.f. Is it a GDPR-compatible covering effect and/or a not necessary diplomatic approach, if not all participants in this Moodle-course can see all reports/log-data?!)


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Typical example for fake-like evaluation attributes: there is no closed group-concerns about the correct answers! (e..g. 9<>37)


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How should we measure (based on log-data and/or other objective aspects): consistence and/or high-quality and/or clarity and/or precision and/or major-level concerning issues (c.f. binary logic: correct vs. incorrect - never forget: a nuclear power system does also need source codes where NO error is acceptable)...


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Diplomatic entry? BUT a binary decision making process does definitely not need diplomatic steps! Mathematics does only need derivations of argumentation chains, and measurment possibilities for scaling Goodness of argumentation chains. Each other aspect is irrelevant first of all. IF the professional thruths are given, than and only than can we talk about other aspects. There is therefore pre-conditions, and we always need decision about the deeper levels before we might to go on to higher levelled questions.


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Alternative interpretations are useful as learning material/scenarios! The operative expectation in case of answer-definition does not need any forks. It is very important to see: that the fact-oriented communication and evaluation seems to be involved into this Moodle-course - finally...


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Please, each Student should complete about each Student (object) an own OAM (number of rows = 24, number of columns = arbitrary, where a column is an attribute being capable of measuring a relevant aspect of the performance as such (e.g. time difference between task-definition-timpstamp and first-answer-timestamp, etc.) Deadline = 2024.XI.24. -24:00 (estimated time: 120 minutes). These OAMs will be compared to each other in order to see: what kind of attributes were used at all and in case of the same attributes, whether the values in the cells for each person are the same (c.f. fact? log-data?) in case of each evaluator?


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Parallel way: if the potential evaluators are capable to cooperate, then the result is ONE single OAM, but in this case, the values in each cell should be accepted by each evaluators in advance!


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It is necessary to define a direction for each attribute! Potential directions: the more the better (0) or the less the better (1)


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Please, try to interpret the following file (especially the sheet being prepared for seeing immediately): https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/315/quasi_exam_II_collected.xlsx Please, formulate questions here and now, if/why you could not accept this file as a pseudocode/system plan needing to be transformed into source code by you in person immediately! Deadline = 2024.XI.24. -24:00 (estimated time: 120 minutes).


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To measure consistency, quality, clarity, precision, and major-level issues objectively, I propose the following metrics:

Consistency: Measure the range of scores given to and received by the student. For example, Munkhjargal Ariunbold consistently scores between 7 and 9 across all evaluations, achieving 90% consistency.

High-Quality: Based on the log-data, we calculate the percentage of correct answers out of total answers. For example, if 9 out of 10 answers are correct, the high-quality score is 90%.

Clarity: Munkhjargal’s answer was 6, also he informed why does he choose it. So the clarity is good. So high quality score is exactly 85% or more above.

Precision: Precision is calculated by comparing the number of relevant points in an answer to the total points made. For instance, if Munkhjargal includes 18 relevant points out of 20, the precision score is 90%.

Major-Level Issues: Using binary logic, we count errors or contradictions in answers. Munkhjargal has 0 major issues across all responses, meeting the "error-free" criterion.

Based on these metrics, Munkhjargal Ariunbold demonstrates:

Consistency: 90%
High-Quality: 90%
Clarity: 80%
Precision: 90%
Major-Level Issues: 100% error-free
Therefore, he is the best candidate based on objective, measurable criteria.


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"Consistency: Measure the range of scores given to and received by the student. For example, Munkhjargal Ariunbold consistently scores between 7 and 9 across all evaluations, achieving 90% consistency." <--more KNUTH-like: a=min(scores), b=max(scores), b-a=range1 and/or stdev(scores)=range2 /rules the less are the ranges (1, 2) the better is th person having the particular scores?! Is it more pseudocode-like as before?! (e.g. where consistency=90 can not be interpreted - without formulas)


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3.MD Adnan Hossain Alif:BJT86N
4.MD Shahriar Islam:D5MUMA
5.Mortazavi Mahshid:E68IAT

The students listed above show no measurable evidence of participation in the course based on
(https://miau.my-x.hu/miau/315/quasi_exam_II_collected.xlsx). Their consistently low scores, combined with a lack of peer recognition and contributions, strongly indicate that they have not effectively "signed" for this course.


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"Clarity: Munkhjargal’s answer was 6, also he informed why does he choose it. So the clarity is good. So high quality score is exactly 85% or more above."<--this magic-of-word-version can not be transform into a KNUTH-like code... parameter "6" is wrong, parameter "why" is chaotic, therefore clarity can still not be derived (see consistency)...


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"High-Quality: Based on the log-data, we calculate the percentage of correct answers out of total answers. For example, if 9 out of 10 answers are correct, the high-quality score is 90%."<--This seems to be a KNUTH-oriented=formula-oriented approach. On the other hand the suggested 90 % is not a value for one single particular person (being needed) but this is a statistical descriptive approach for a set of persons...


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"Precision: Precision is calculated by comparing the number of relevant points in an answer to the total points made. For instance, if Munkhjargal includes 18 relevant points out of 20, the precision score is 90%."<--the magic word of "relevant" is still not to transform into a KNUTH-like formula...


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"Major-Level Issues: Using binary logic, we count errors or contradictions in answers. Munkhjargal has 0 major issues across all responses, meeting the "error-free" criterion." <--We would need a list of errors for each person. BUT: what is an error? An error as such should be determined through a source code (c.f. KNUTH). What is "major"? This is a kind of scaling of the previously listed errors (which we do finally not have:-)


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"Based on these metrics, Munkhjargal Ariunbold demonstrates:
Consistency: 90% / High-Quality: 90% / Clarity: 80% / Precision: 90% / Major-Level Issues: 100% error-free. Therefore, he is the best candidate based on objective, measurable criteria."<--we try to talk about the BEST Student! Therefore, we do need a real comparison. Single-person-evaluations are strict forbidden. The best person is the particular person who can not be evaluated with the same evaluation value as each other. With other words: we do need an antidiscriminative optimization where the hypothesis is: could have each person the same evaluation score based on all of the raw data about their performances? If not, then one/few persons are better than the norm, one/few persons are a negative rel. evaluation, and it is possible the some persons can be detected, being norm-like. All these categories are defined for valid object, it means: there can be persons with invalid evaluations based on all the raw data we had...


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We do therefore need the totally avoiding of the not-KNUTH-oriented magic of words. A totally magic-free text version can be used as a prompt e.g. for the chatGPT, and chatGPT must be capable of transforming a good text into source code (formulas) without any problems! This is a kind of objective test/performance!


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created: Saturday, 16 November 2024, 7:35 PM
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Therefore would be possible, based on Moodle-log-data, to build a kind of robot-teacher! This objective/goal could be one of your topic for a good final thesis... Is somebody interested - maybe? This Moodle-course delivers the necessary data immediately! Other topics will quasi always have difficulties with the availability of qualitative data assets.


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I selected Munkhjargal Ariunbold as the best candidate based on the following criteria:

Consistently High-Quality Answers: Munkhjargal demonstrates strong performance across all evaluations, with high scores indicating reliable and accurate work.
Clarity and Precision: His responses are concise, clear, and align with the "ideal length" requirements, showing an ability to communicate effectively.
Error-Free Performance: There are no significant issues, contradictions, or exaggerated scores in his evaluations, ensuring his reliability.


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The log-based world is tough, but objective... (c.f. http://miau.my-x.hu/miau/212/160506/observations.xlsx)


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Please, try to follow the already existing guidelines: https://moodle.kodolanyi.hu/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=63050#p164141 + entries directly to this item


